Medical rucksack (not backpack!!)

[boyouLaGleize.]

Forgot to post pics earlier.
From "rop" company.

[Grubhy]

Hello Gents! Awesome one Fred, thank You for sharing this one. Looks like I need to put more effort to get nicer stuff then some more experienced sani-vets. Well I'm close- unfortunately unmakred "soft straps" example. Cross has been restitched crudely but IMHO is good and most probably taken from another example:

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[Grubhy]

Some disparities in construction, a bit more simple than "rop" marked. Fred does yours example has cardboard washer inside?

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[Grubhy]

Few more details:- as You can see absolutely no markings, no WaA. All hardware legit, same as in other examples which are dated.

Sorry but pics has been taken in rush few minutes ago

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[Jan B]

Nice example Fred. But I have doubt about the straps, I don't think that these were made during war with these soft straps! I think the soft straps were added after war.

Robert, In light of the above I'm sorry but I have doubts about your example to be honest .
It's not the same as the one you shared in post 29 right?
That one looks good, even from that only side-view

First of all the classic things that bother me :
Lack of maker and WaAmbt and the missing 'quick release hook system' ( All medical rucksack I have encountered/seen have these). Together with these soft carryings traps - which I haven't encountered on wartime made sani-rucksacke so far.

The roundings on the closingstraps.
This could sound like a detail but in combination with a/m things I have serious doubts.
These roundings are 'fantasy' which I have never seen on wartime examples so far so give me impression of immediate post-war made rucksack from left-overs.
I have similar post war examples. These can be bought for peanuts on Ebay and fleamarkets as you know. ( see http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=317933 (especially comments of member Luciusdegeer). They are very similar and often used by re-enactors for late war medical impression.


Could you post close up of the cross and its stitchings inside please?
Did you bought it like this? Also, is the hardware mix of aluminum and steel?

I have some serious doubts but I'm more then willing and happy to be wrong on this.
It's late now but we'll discuss this further the comming days.

Take care
Jan

[Grubhy]

Hello Gents! Hello Jan!

exteremely interesting thread. No it is different than example form post #29. I got three of them ;-) I bought it as it stands now. And my example has the same straps as Fred's rucksack. All hardware has been made from steel except grommets - zink and alloy together.

Talking about rounded closing straps:

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Above pics of post war factory made example, it has been made from new parts not leftovers or scraps.

As far I know other elements of equipment has changed during the war in order to improve theirs functionality or/and decrease cost of manufacture per piece. IMHO the same with these rucksacks.

[Grubhy]

Good and well preserved wartime example Congrats Fred!

Forgot to post pics earlier.
From "rop" company.

[Jan B]

Hello Gents! Hello Jan!

Above pics of post war factory made example, it has been made from new parts not leftovers or scraps.

As far I know other elements of equipment has changed during the war in order to improve theirs functionality or/and decrease cost of manufacture per piece. IMHO the same with these rucksacks.

Rob, I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are saying (due to my limited skills of the english language), nevertheless I'm still convinced that last example you showed is not made during the war, at least not intended as a medical rucksack as so most other examples in this thread represent.

The post-war example you showed is not relevant here as it is a total other type of rucksack made at large scale long after the end of the war...

Again, does your example has the quick release hook system?

Concerning the carryingstraps : Yours has the same straps as Fred's last find -- IMHO doesn't mean it is genuine pre 45 fabrication - I already shared my concerns about these canvas straps... Even more so, for me, at this moment, I'm in the believing that sanitätsrucksäcke had only leather carryingstraps. Maybe Fred can check if there are traces of former leather straps on his? Maybe by usage on metal parts,etc?

I can agree with you on the fact that elements changed during the evolution of war to decrease costs. The type of straps yours has - with the round cut-out form - is not very representative - on the contrary, it's much more time and effort consuming!

When it comes to these type of rucksacks, I have seen/handled and own many so far and all have identical construction. The only difference is the hardware (alu or metal) or the type canvas (variations in thickness and with blue red or no lines) - All other points were exactly the same.

Again, for me personally it stays a post-war fabrication due to :

Missing quick release hook system
Lack of WaA marking and/or maker/date
A/m points are for me big red flags
Strang closing-straps


I still would like to see closeups of red-cross and stitching-method.

Not much more to add from my side.


Bes regards

Jan

[Grubhy]

Jan,

thanks for the input. You dont like Fred's marked textbook rucksack or just straps from it? We can spend hrs talking about cost or time efficeincy of canvas straps for German WW2 plants...I see that now You no longer state that it has been made from scratches as many other available on the market

[Rheinmetall]

I find this thread to be very interesting even though i have no specific knowledge of medical equipment. That being the case, please forgive me if this seems like a foolish question --- were there any medical backpacks that were specifically manufactured as tropical items for use by the DAK? If so, can anyone show a photo of such?

[boyouLaGleize.]

I find this thread to be very interesting even though i have no specific knowledge of medical equipment. That being the case, please forgive me if this seems like a foolish question --- were there any medical backpacks that were specifically manufactured as tropical items for use by the DAK? If so, can anyone show a photo of such?

Not seen since I begin to collect medical stuff.

[Jan B]

Jan,

thanks for the input. You dont like Fred's marked textbook rucksack or just straps from it?

Robert, As I stated in my the beginning of post # 50, I have no problems with the rucksack posted by our friend Fred but doubt about the carryingstraps being on it 'straight out of factory'

I see that now You no longer state that it has been made from scratches as many other available on the market

I'm still in the believing that your last example is not original ww2 german made medical rucksack but immediatly postwar made - so in a way yes, still 'made from wartime materials'...

Could you take a look at the questions I made towards your example? Thanks !

Jan

[pionier]

Hi,

Sorry for jumping in this thread, tough there are some very nice items shown!

The last post of a rucksack (post 51), is indeed a post ww2 backpack in my opinion.

Pinned leather parts, black stitching, and the greyish post german cloth. Check ebay.de, I am sure you will find similair made items post war.

Sorry.

[Jan B]

Hi,

Sorry for jumping in this thread, tough there are some very nice items shown!

The last post of a rucksack (post 51), is indeed a post ww2 backpack in my opinion.

Pinned leather parts, black stitching, and the greyish post german cloth. Check ebay.de, I am sure you will find similair made items post war.

Sorry.

Thanks for your imput but we all agree with that, no need to say sorry. That example is not part of the discussion

[Jan B]

Here's another Bollmann 43 dated example from my collection. A ligther shade of material as previous example with the blue lines in it. Textbook all the way and original applied red cross.

Regards

Jan