Fat container : postwar or not?

I don't know if I can post this here, but there is no fieldgear section ( hint Seba ) , so...
Got this fat container in today. I know they're not rare, neither reproduced, but the post-war containers are identical. I know that genuine ww2 fat containers had markings on them, no?
This one has no marking at all, it's made from bakelite.

some fieldgear experts who can tell if this is a wartime one or not?

thx in advance for the help

Kind regards

Jan

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inside view

[sean weber]

Wehrmacht fat container

Hi Jan
The butter or fat dish in your pictures is a post war one. the speckled biege type were once thought by a lot of collectors and dealers to be ww2 items but sadly they are 1952 period bundeswehr. The things to look out for are firstly ,the colour it seems that orange , black and speckled brown bakelite are more often correct, but the deciding factor on originality is the treads ww2 period dishes have a heavy half turn thread while post war have a fine thread that takes a couple of turns to lock fast !!
as regards markings the most common marking on ww2 items appears to be the German industries mark that you would normaly find on a bakelite canteen cup or bino case, this mark is on the two I have in my collection one orange and one bright red.
I hope you didint pay to much for your dish!! But its still a nice hole filler until you find a good un.

Regards Sean W

[Kai-Steffen M.]

there was no bundeswehr until 1957 when germany rearmed again- so these "brotaufstrichdosen" are 1952 period bundesgrenzschutz (german federal border patrol)- the bundeswehr used aluminium ones later.

Gruß,
KSM

Sean and Kai-steffen

Thanks guys for the detailed information. I can send it back. My knowlegde on these things were zero, but the dealer stated ' original ww2).

greetings

Jan

[Karol98k]

Re: Wehrmacht fat container

Hi. I have had an orange butterdose that was 1000% original, and had fine twisting threading.

[sean weber]

bundeswehr and bundesgrenschutz

Kai
Your correction regarding the bgs period and the bundeswehr was spot on (my own fault for being so unspecific about post war German armed forces) the yellowish butterdose are even makrked BGS so thanks for clearing that up

Regards Sean

[Kai-Steffen M.]

yes, the BGS used in its early days a lot of equipment very similar to that of the Wehrmacht (also look at the "BGS Sumpftarn" camoflage pattern on uniforms)- if the Dose above is marked BGS than everything is clear anyway
always glad to help and clear things up,
Gruß,
KSM

[kennethc]

fat container ????

[Kai-Steffen M.]

yes!!!!!!!

Kai, it's not marked BGS, it's not marked at all!
So it's probably an BW-issue dish, and not a BundesGrenzschutz item, no?

Grusse

Jan

[Kai-Steffen M.]

as far as i know the BW used only aluminium ones- marked or not- i believe its an early BGS one...

Gruß,
KSM

[sean weber]

butterdose with fine threads ww2!!

Karol
When you mentioned having an orange fat dish with fine threads 1000% genuine. it could well be the case , but sticking with the half turn heavy treads is a good way for somone not familiar with these things to avoid getting stung!!. I think they are many exeptions to the rules that we collect to . I own an other ranks Bergmutze with no gromets , most people would howl must be a repro etc etc, but no matter what anyone says this is a genuine cap the source it came from left no room to doubt , my German cousins give it to me after the death my uncle this was after 35 years of pestering him to give me it) every thing else is as it should be but no ventilation gromets the very thing that most of us would use to decide if it was a wrong un or a right un.
But if I was buying a one for the first time I would be looking for gromets it pays to play safe if your not sure!

Best Regards

Sean

PS A well known field gear author is covinced that all dishes without a lower ribbed portion are post war this is dispite lots of period photos to the contrary

[GJR100]

Hi Sean,

(Just to change the subject ) Could yo post some pictures of your Bergmuetze for me ?

MfG,
Bart