Fat container : postwar or not?

[sean weber]

Bergmutze without gromets!!!!

Hi
changing the subject as you mentioned, cannot post any pics as im not an association member but will try to get someone to post for me. ive wanted to ask you about this cap strangely so you have saved me the trouble. the info I have is that order(HV38B, no28B ) dated 17 August1938 required that gromets be added to the bergmutze fur gebergsjager and jager personel.
This makes my cap either an early one or one of private purchase. what do you think?? its not my sphere of knowledge mountain gear but I always loved the cap and its a personal family treasure(to me at least) will post some pics soon love to hear your comments

(if the moderator would like us to move this thread please send a pm)

Many thanks Sean W

[GJR100]

Hi Sean,

I've sent you a PM

Bart

Got a good one in yesterday, this one is marked...I found the same makerslogo also on some of my bakelite canteendops.

cheers

Jan

[Jos L C]

Hi,
Here's one with fine tread.
I believe this is a good one too,not ?

Jos.

[Jos L C]

mark.

[Jos L C]

Mark on the lid.

Inderdaad, Jos, looks the same as mine,but it seems that yours has the fine threads as already discussed above. It has the same markerslogo for sure. I think that it is a good one too

greetings

Jan

[GJR100]

Well, I've got two odd ones. I bought them thinking they might be original and not too expensive.

So if anyone could give his opinion ...

Here's the first one:



No markings can be found.

[GJR100]

And the second one is made of very thing sheet metal. Also no markings.



I was told this is one of the last types manufactured. I've kept it all these years, never being sure.

So if anyone can help me out here ...

Thanks,
Bart

[hcliffe]

What do you think of these 2 containers? One is the standard fat container for sure. What is the other?

Harry, are there any markings on the lowest one? It looks like the one I've posted in the beginning, but painted black, could be postwar too....

The above one is described by Weitze as 'luftwaffe butterdose'...any markings on that one?

cheers

Jan

[Infanteer]

Can someone confirm for me that the German industries marks like those on Jos' container are only found on pre 1945 items? I have one of the fine thread tan coloured containers that has this industry mark on the inside of the lid. Eary post-war?

[sean weber]

industries mark??

Hi infanteer
the Bundesgrenschutse logo on post war dishes is done in such a way as to look at a glance very like WW2 deutches industries mark. Double check that the logo is not BGS . After many dishes looked at and also in chat to veterans the tan fine tread dishes are without doubt post war .

Regards

Sean

[Infanteer]

BGS mark?

Sean, I don't know what the BGS mark looks like but the mark on my fat container looks exactly like the one on Jos' orange container except that instead of the "S" mine has a "1" with a sideways "31" below the "OX". Otherwise the stylized "MD" (don't know how to describe it) is the same as that on other war dated bakelite items that I have, hence the confusion if this fat container is pre or post 1945. In my mind it is possible that this mark was used for some time after the war just as the D.R.P. mark can be seen on items that are also stamped "made in W. Germany". I was hoping that someone might have information on when this industry mark ceased to be used. I would say to anyone who asks me that my fat container is post war, but I don't know that 100%. It is also possible that some companies made the containers with fine threads, or that the design was being altered at the end of the war.... I don't know. Don't get me wrong, I am only trying to get the facts. There are a lot of general rules used in this hobby that are broken on a regular basis.

[sean weber]

Butterdose

Hi Infanteer
I certainly agree with you that there are many varients and surprises in this hobby, you just cant look at it in a rigid yes or no way. As regarding the use of the indusries marking post war I have my suspicions that it may have been used or at least WW2 area molds may have been used and the mark kept that way. Quite a few of my collecting friends have orange dishes with fine threads and the same mark most of them regard them as wartime, but if you look at other bakelite screw top items that are possitive WW2 for instance the bakelite six round flare container it has heavy threads industries mark and dated paper label . As i have mentioned earlyier in this thread you can play safe using this rule that heavy threads are definate WW2 . The question that could these items be ww2 will I think remain unsolved as most collectors will keep clear of them but it is an interesting point that you have raised

regards
Sean