SS VT drill tunic modified for a officer

[AntiqueWW2]

There you are sure way more Expert then i am. But to me, the Tunic itself, as well as the Boards and Tabs are good. When it was put together, impossible to tell without having it in Hands. But we all know there came some very nice Stuff out of Stani. So or so, the Jacket is a nice one. Maybe it ends up on Estand or somewhere for sale, if price is right...i jump for it

The stitching is too tight not done during the era though.

[Zauberflöte]

I'm a bit baffled by your question in post#29 John but since I started this thread I am more than happy to clarify. I have actualy acquired this tunic under restriction since not yet having it in hand. It still resides in the US. Since it has been published I assumed it would be known to perhaps some other collectors in this Forum, thus hoping to learn more about it's background, as I already said in post #1.

Would indeed the tunic in its current configuration have been found in the Czech Rep. (a plus IMO), I would highly doubt the theory of the eagle being a blackened Bahnschutz eagle. Of course not implying the insignia being necessarily the tunic's originals.

In any case all badging would originally have been done by a tailor and furthermore, of course no one could tell for sure what ordeals the tunic after wars end has gone through...

[BenVK]

Here is an interesting discussion about these eagles.
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ss-uni...fusion-685356/

[dhunter93]

I'm a bit baffled by your question in post#29 John but since I started this thread I am more than happy to clarify. I have actualy acquired this tunic under restriction since not yet having it in hand. It still resides in the US. Since it has been published I assumed it would be known to perhaps some other collectors in this Forum, thus hoping to learn more about it's background, as I already said in post #1.

Would indeed the tunic in its current configuration have been found in the Czech Rep. (a plus IMO), I would highly doubt the theory of the eagle being a blackened Bahnschutz eagle. Of course not implying the insignia being necessarily the tunic's originals.

In any case all badging would originally have been done by a tailor and furthermore, of course no one could tell for sure what ordeals the tunic after wars end has gone through...

You made the mistake of posting on WAF the trolls come out of the woodwork! It's a nice tunic enjoy..

[John Pic]

I'm a bit baffled by your question in post#29 John but since I started this thread I am more than happy to clarify. I have actualy acquired this tunic under restriction since not yet having it in hand. It still resides in the US. Since it has been published I assumed it would be known to perhaps some other collectors in this Forum, thus hoping to learn more about it's background, as I already said in post #1.

Would indeed the tunic in its current configuration have been found in the Czech Rep. (a plus IMO), I would highly doubt the theory of the eagle being a blackened Bahnschutz eagle. Of course not implying the insignia being necessarily the tunic's originals.

In any case all badging would originally have been done by a tailor and furthermore, of course no one could tell for sure what ordeals the tunic after wars end has gone through...

Of coarse, I should have guessed. As long as you are happy with a re-badged tunic then all is well.

[John Pic]

You made the mistake of posting on WAF the trolls come out of the woodwork! It's a nice tunic enjoy..

Well if you consider myself and Jim Toncar trolls you should've given a point by point analysis using your expertise. I have actually owned and examined one of these in hand up close not on a forum screen. I believe Trolls are the ones who just jump into a thread with nothing to offer as advice or information and toss random insults.

[Zauberflöte]

Of coarse, I should have guessed. As long as you are happy with a re-badged tunic then all is well.

Sorry; but I do not get your point? Was there anything not clear about my intentions from the start? From appearently helpful your starting to be offensive? Or do I misinterpret, I hope?

The tunic as said, is without a doubt a modified SS VT tunic, this could have been done in 1940 or 1943, simply no way to tell. Anyone who knows me or my collection knows I always aim for untouched but when it comes to collecting SS officer tunics this will become a real challenge. I know you know.

Best

[Zauberflöte]

Here is an interesting discussion about these eagles.
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ss-uni...fusion-685356/

Thank you Ben, I found the same thread and actualy already posted the link below:-).

Thank you as well Derek, for your previous post, this is covered here as well.

[BenVK]

Oh yeah, sorry mate.

What do you think after reading that thread? I'd have to agree that the eagle on this tunic is probably Bahnschutz.

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

so to conclude, if the eagle is as said Bahnschutz, this means that the tunic is rebadged, and then probably post-war rebadged as the eagle is not SS (and no SS officer would have period-rebadged his tunic with a non-SS badge) ?

See You

Vince

[AntiqueWW2]

Who conclude thats a Bahnschutz? Till now i only read it looks like. And to me this still looks like a VT Bird and nothing else based on the Pictures. Thats why i always want something like this in my Hands. And everyone else should try this too, sometimes it is a big big Help in doing so

Hi,

so to conclude, if the eagle is as said Bahnschutz, this means that the tunic is rebadged, and then probably post-war rebadged as the eagle is not SS (and no SS officer would have period-rebadged his tunic with a non-SS badge) ?

See You

Vince

[MM1985]

eagle vs eagle

[Zauberflöte]

eagle vs eagle

Yes.. , we all know that image, but that is too easy I am afraid.. as it appears there are also indications of the eagle facing the other way.. and I am not sure, but to me the Bahnschutz picture in A. Mollo's German Uniforms book, the eagles heads are facing to the right.. or not? Also look at the feathers, there appear to be many variants. Read the link, we obviously do not know it all although I must admit, indications are leaning towards Bahnschutz...for now.

Also, in the SS cloth insignia book of Angolia I assume, he mixed up Bahnschutz with SS-VT as well? Serious remark, not trying to be cynical.

In any case, does the eagle on the subject eagle looks messed with or not? I'm not an expert on these but that at least should be the case right, considering these have to be blue?
And I say it again, if this eagle was on it in lets say in 1970-1980, I find it hard to believe someone was clever enough to deceive it like this. Hence the starting of this thread.

[AntiqueWW2]

Where the Head is facing has nothing to to what kind of Eagle that is. And here you can only be 100% sure when you have this Tunic in hands. And i know when the Owner will have it in Hands he will very quickly know what is going on. And to take Angolias Mastercrap to confirm if a Eagle is real......

Yes.. but that is too easy I am afraid.. as it appears there are also indications of the eagle facing the other way.. and I am not sure, but to me the Bahnschutz picture in A. Mollo's German Uniforms book, the eagles heads are facing to the right.. or not? Also look at the feathers, there appear to be many variants.

And in the SS cloth insignia book of Angolia I assume, he mixed up Bahnschutz with SS-VT as well? Serious remark, not trying to be cynical.

In any case, does the eagle on the subject eagle looks messed with or not? I'm not an expert on these but that at least should be the case right, considering these have to be blue?

[Nick E]

This is the same dilemma with SS vs Diplomatic dress Cape eagles..both look the same,both sometimes facing different ways other than the standard.Did tailor accidentally switch them up..but in that case both are black backed.