The Floch interview regarding the Pink/Birch smocks

[Dr. Strangelove]

Floch

I cannot comment on the other gentlemen and their various reasons for wanting to meet and 'interview' Floch but the man and his products have caused a lot of people to lose a lot of money over the years. Personally I wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he was on fire.

Ian

Egads!, the Man himself would fail the, “burn test”.

[Jeff V]

Well, let's hope he doesn't catch fire. There are plenty of other collectors who are grateful for all the fine, original items he sourced from eastern Europe in bulk.

Half full, half empty.

s/f Robert

This sums up the hobby in a nutshell.
It does not matter what damage a faker has done or how many have been screwed out of their money, as long as someone has produced some original pieces it is all good. If Charlie Snyder found the pinks I am sure you would sing his praises too, after all he has a few original items.

[cossack1648]

Interesting, that since Minsk studio was in Soviet Union, no items with its stamps were reported by collectors from Russia or other former communist countries. All items, pinkies and few original items were brought to market in the West. Nothing reported in the East, and there is number of collectors from there on this forum.

[Jeff V]

Interesting, that since Minsk studio was in Soviet Union, no items with its stamps were reported by collectors from Russia or other former communist countries. All items, pinkies and few original items were brought to market in the West. Nothing reported in the East, and there is number of collectors from there on this forum.

Good point.

[kammo man]

Why indeed. There are no stamp experts here to illuminate, and we could fit what has been hastily gleaned from the internet and local museum visits into a shoe box.

Ian, that's fine to bash Floch's story, but there is nothing to indicate it is invented. It is just more collector pile on to dismiss what he had to say.

If his account was of no value, then why have both supporters and detractors said they would meet with Floch to get the story of the smock find?

His reputation hasn't changed. Owen and others were going to meet with him at various shows and events, and so were the believers - never happened until now.

And now that the long awaited meetings with Dennis and Nutmeg have occurred, Floch's story is invented - in fact, now he produced the smocks. I wonder why that is?

s/f Robert

Please get your facts right when talking about me.
I NEVER said I WAS GOING to meet with him.
I was at this years SOS and seen him and his FAKE PINK jacket that HE HAD MADE.
I have nothing to gain from him LYING to my face.

[kammo man]

Well, let's hope he doesn't catch fire. There are plenty of other collectors who are grateful for all the fine, original items he sourced from eastern Europe in bulk.

Half full, half empty.

s/f Robert

Typical low grade collector forgiveness.
I like it when someone shows their true colors like this.
Shows what someones morals actually are.

[kammo man]

Interesting, that since Minsk studio was in Soviet Union, no items with its stamps were reported by collectors from Russia or other former communist countries. All items, pinkies and few original items were brought to market in the West. Nothing reported in the East, and there is number of collectors from there on this forum.

Funny that isn't it.

And Flock said there were other people buying the Fake Pinks........
You know why he knew this ?
Because he made and sold them....
Simple.

There is more holes in this story than a sieve.

[kammo man]

This sums up the hobby in a nutshell.
It does not matter what damage a faker has done or how many have been screwed out of their money, as long as someone has produced some original pieces it is all good. If Charlie Schneider found the pinks I am sure you would sing his praises too, after all he has a few original items.

Thats about it really.

Its not about the masses that got the shaft is it only HEY I got a real side cap so its all good mate !
Sad.

[RobertE]

Typical low grade collector forgiveness.
I like it when someone shows their true colors like this.
Shows what someones morals actually are.

Slow your roll, kiddo. I'm a low grade collector? Coming from an unknown character who has never seen my collection, but with sufficient insight to see my moral character?

Grow up and attempt to stay focused.

s/f Robert

[RobertE]

Because he made and sold them....
Simple.

How do you KNOW this? To save us pages of discussion, I'll answer: you don't. Just another made up fact.

s/f Robert

[RobertE]

Interesting, that since Minsk studio was in Soviet Union, no items with its stamps were reported by collectors from Russia or other former communist countries. All items, pinkies and few original items were brought to market in the West. Nothing reported in the East, and there is number of collectors from there on this forum.

Not really noteworthy at all. Until an authority on museum and Soviet inventory marking protocols surfaces, we are discussing a tiny portion of the markings seen to date.

If an authority with a working knowledge all markings in all republics for the last 70 years wants to weigh in, I would be very interested to hear their findings.

s/f Robert

[RobertE]

This sums up the hobby in a nutshell.
It does not matter what damage a faker has done or how many have been screwed out of their money, as long as someone has produced some original pieces it is all good. If Charlie Schneider found the pinks I am sure you would sing his praises too, after all he has a few original items.

A cheap shot I would not expect from a moderator, Jeff. The point is, of course, that this particular dealer has brought both good and bad to collectors.

The fact that any statement from one of the original finders of the brock smocks is automatically dismissed as more fraud shows a lack of objectivity that is not helpful.

And accusing forum members, such as myself, as being instruments of the fakers is a sure way to shut down discussion - which I would not expect from moderators. This is a discussion forum that I pay my dues to participate in.

s/f Robert

[jacquesf]

Well, let's hope he doesn't catch fire. There are plenty of other collectors who are grateful for all the fine, original items he sourced from eastern Europe in bulk.

Half full, half empty.

s/f Robert

Robert, like others said before, this statement says a hell of a lot about you and what you stand for. It might be OK in your mind, but in the real world that show a total lack of a moral compass.

Also reffering to other as taking cheap shots. No it is your own words, don't try and wriggle out of it. You have nailed your colors to the mast. J

[Vladislav]

interesting, that since minsk studio was in soviet union, no items with its stamps were reported by collectors from russia or other former communist countries. All items, pinkies and few original items were brought to market in the west. Nothing reported in the east, and there is number of collectors from there on this forum.

absolutely no information about this brand in russia is not so clearly all russian collectors take it for a fake

[nutmeg]

Robert, like others said before, this statement says a hell of a lot about you and what you stand for. It might be OK in your mind, but in the real world that show a total lack of a moral compass. J

Let's get over this . Floch found great stuff and he made fakes , that's established. Even more startling he admitted it. Had any other dealer found this stash it would probably be dismissed as a lie anyway. If you don't believe the smocks you won't believe any evidence unless it's totally overwhelming. I get it. However , the real story of these will probably come in many tidbits over a long period of time. Getting all worked up over it and insulting each other unfortunately seems to be the norm on these forums which is why many of the most knowledgeable do nor participate. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all be have ourselves?