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**Erik** · 02-18-2018, 01:52 AM

For me at least 80% of this grouping is real. I have no knowledge of Norwegian made items but we all know that rarely seen local variations turn up from time to time. So I have a very open mind here and leave judging that to more local experts.

The shoulder boards starting the thread I give a good chance but I am not as good with these as some here so I will keep a reserve there. But the rest of the group looks just fine. To destroy stuff like this in a heartbeat is the reason people stop posting interesting groupings here. Shame really.

Erik

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 03:09 AM

Well that is called everyone have his opinion. And i did not destroy anything in a Heartbeat, this is what the Items look for me. And of course, you always can say these are local made Items, so you do not see them often and they are now real. For me personal, they are bogus. And as i wrote at the beginning when i see the pictures. Armbands, and that is the most i talk about are not in any way real for me, and i had a some in the past in my hands. Shoulderboard can be real and Eagle well i only seen first the 2 Pictures from the Side, so i mistake there. And all the rest are not really important. And he started the Tread with asking about his shoulderboard and they are by all mans fake as hell. Then he started to say we are all 100% wrong.....and then comes the rest of this "Important Group"... i gave my personal Opinion, and this it it about this here. When someone is offended that i was writing my opinion then is his problem, what sense it makes when everyone just write what the other one like to hear? Shame really big big shame

**ruggeri** · 02-18-2018, 03:44 AM

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You have been proven wrong several times and for Norwegian made RK items you NEED special knowledge. You dont have any knowledge about RK items in Norway, so your 80% is gone already there.

Very interesting that medals, stamp and piston also fake......

It is not needed by opinion if you are not sure. Then you are just destroying items, that is proven good. If you had the last word for both eagle and sholderboard, many would have been thinking "oh, he must be correct". For the RK items it is totally crazy that you put a bad remark.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

You have been proven wrong several times and for Norwegian made RK items you NEED special knowledge. You dont have any knowledge about RK items in Norway, so your 80% is gone already there.

Very interesting that medals, stamp and piston also fake......

It is not needed by opinion if you are not sure. Then you are just destroying items, that is proven good. If you had the last word for both eagle and sholderboard, many would have been thinking "oh, he must be correct". For the RK items it is totally crazy that you put a bad remark.

I not proof wrong by anything. When i do make a mistake i always apologies for it, but the only thing here to say is, what i say is to what i stick. For me this Armbands are what they are, fake. As well your SS Shoulderboards, they are fake as hell and there i put my Signature under it. And i am tired of repeating myself. You can of course think and believe what you like and i am not here to always counter what you say, i simple wrote what these items are for me. So be happy then with your all original items who are special made by local Nordmanns and all is purple now.

**ruggeri** · 02-18-2018, 04:36 AM

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what i say is to what i stick: Indeed you are, because you find it very hard to change mind, because you have decided in advantaged and is so proud you are not able to change. The eagle must have been very hard for you.

I find it interesting that stamp and piston are never said anything about. If you stick to fake on these as well, then i think you need help. Shoulderboard, wich have it`s own thread, with thumbs up from everyone, beside you, should also be enough.

For the RK items, where three similar cufftitles have been sold, without any questions and pictures in use at Riksarkivet in Norway, still very interesting that you keep on holding your RK Norwegian expertise.

**ruggeri** · 02-18-2018, 04:59 AM

Picture RK Norwegen.

Dear AntiqueWW2 and all others following the thread,

First of all was AntiqueWW2 on his way of destroying the lot by describing 80% as fake. He also claim fantasy/space quality of items. I have tried to explain him about especially the RK Norwegen items, but it seems very hard for him.

Im happy that i have now found the picture i have been searching for, the RK Norwegen breast/armpatch in use in Norway during the war. The picture shows the patch in use at a sport shirts of emplyee from RK Norwegen during the war.

This was shown at Filmmagasinet in Norway at television.

After you have seen the patch, as you have totally marked as crap, im awaiting your "im sorry".

Hope you are feeling nice about your comments. Picture will come later today or tomorrow.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

Dear AntiqueWW2 and all others following the thread,

First of all was AntiqueWW2 on his way of destroying the lot by describing 80% as fake. He also claim fantasy/space quality of items. I have tried to explain him about especially the RK Norwegen items, but it seems very hard for him.

Im happy that i have now found the picture i have been searching for, the RK Norwegen breast/armpatch in use in Norway during the war. The picture shows the patch in use at a sport shirts of emplyee from RK Norwegen during the war.

This was shown at Filmmagasinet in Norway at television.

After you have seen the patch, as you have totally marked as crap, im awaiting your "im sorry".

Hope you are feeling nice about your comments. Picture will come later today or tomorrow.

**Hilton** · 02-18-2018, 05:24 AM

Its obvious that you have now knowledge whatsoever about RKN "AntiqueWW2", all the RKN items shown in these photos are 100% real.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 05:28 AM

Perfect then we have all real items i would personal not pay a dime. And no need to repeat it, SS Shoulderboards are FAKE as hell and to the rest everyones guess.

Originally posted by Hilton View Post

Its obvious that you have now knowledge whatsoever about RKN "AntiqueWW2", all the RKN items shown in these photos are 100% real.

**Hilton** · 02-18-2018, 05:37 AM

I am not commenting on the other items, but all the Reichskommissariat Norwegen object are 100% known originals.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Hilton View Post

I am not commenting on the other items, but all the Reichskommissariat Norwegen object are 100% known originals.

Everything is possible in our Hobby. I can only go based on the looks and what i had in my hands so far, and that was in 28+years a lot. And whenever i see a Armband made outside from a Foreign Country for a German Official i never see them made like this one is. I always put me in a Official who put something like this on his Uniform. So until i not see this Armband on a Uniform in wear i will remain to what i say.

**Hilton** · 02-18-2018, 05:49 AM

Believe whatever you want :-)

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-18-2018, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Hilton View Post

Believe whatever you want :-)

Same as you do

**ruggeri** · 02-18-2018, 08:05 AM

Thanks.

First of all:

Erik: Thank you for feedback.

Hilton: Thank you for feedback. When you left your feedback, in fact i was pretty sure that AntiqueWW2 would stop, raise his arm and say sorry for telling that 80% of the lot is fake. Is there anyone with knowledge about Norwegian items, it is you.

But it seems very important for AntiqueWW2 with his 28 year of experience to be a RK Norwegen expert.

AntiqueWW2 ruins people wish to post a grouping, and that kind of feedback without knowledge about these specific items have done exactly that, we have seen much less posting of groupings, because people are afraid that a easy feedback from another collector is destroying items because people are getting uncertain.

But now to some concrete. After this, AntiqueWW2 dont need to put his name to any Norwegian lot or collections. If you dare to still say that this is fake, or if you dare to say that the items in the grouping are the same as the first grouping, then i have no words. Then it will show that you are completely without any self-respect.

Some years ago a well known member of the reichkommisariat died. He had a fantastic lot, also with his personal membership book of Reichkommisariatet. The lot consist of a lot of items, but is NOT the same lot as the first i posted.

I never tought i woul need to show anything from this lot, but because AntiqueWW2 are behaving the way he his, i have to show some items from this lot as well. The lot are showing his personal reichkommisariat membership book, and it is also showing his RK Norwegen patch and cufftitle.

If you want to see the armband in use, you will also find at Riksarkivet in Norway. If you want/need to see the patch in use, look at filmavisen at www.nrk.no

But this is not nescesarry. I have now showed you another very personal and well known lot with two similar items. No i expect you to stop.

The shoulderboards, armband and medals have been sent to Bill and Bob, just for a feedback.

The stamps, piston and some other items like the the Kriegsmarine, you dont have to discuss. Please dont follow up with something that show that you have complete lack of saying i was wrong.

**ruggeri** · 02-18-2018, 08:35 AM

Confirmation.

So just to be clear, so no misunderstand out there. The first grouping wich was posted and wich AntiqueWW2 told was fake/space/fantasy is one lot. The last small grouping is another goruping. This i had to post to show another similar grouping, this with a membership book as well. A well known lot without any questions in the past.

Interesting to see AntiqueWW2 previous statement about the RK patch. No the sound should be a bit different. But im sure he will get back with some new arguments. But maybe (but that is only a small maybe) he will say: ok, the patch and cufftitle are good, as the eagle was, but the rest, im sure are fake :-)

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