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**Francesco** · 02-19-2018, 01:10 PM

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Panzer-Division Norwegen

Published: 04 December 2011
Last Updated: 19 July 2013
The Panzer-Division Norwegen was formed in October 1943 from the staff of Panzer-Brigade 21 and elements of 25. Panzer-Division. It was used to reform 25. Panzer-Division in June 1944 and some elements were used to form Panzer-Brigade Norwegen.

Commanders

Generalmajor Reinhold Gothsche (01 Oct 1943 - 20 Nov 1943)
Oberst Max Roth (20 Nov 1943 - 11 June 1944)
Generalmajor Reinhold Gothsche (11 Jun 1944 - 01 Jul 1944)

Area of operations

Norway (Oct 1943 - May 1944)
Denmark (May 1944 - June 1944)

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 01:15 PM

Correct, but do you see anywhere a Waffen SS Panzer Unit?? I do not think so....and he have here SS Panzer Shoulderboards and no WH. That means there have to be a SS Tank Unit somewhere there...and as far as i know there was non....

Originally posted by Francesco View Post

From Axis History

Panzer-Division Norwegen

Published: 04 December 2011
Last Updated: 19 July 2013
The Panzer-Division Norwegen was formed in October 1943 from the staff of Panzer-Brigade 21 and elements of 25. Panzer-Division. It was used to reform 25. Panzer-Division in June 1944 and some elements were used to form Panzer-Brigade Norwegen.

Commanders

Generalmajor Reinhold Gothsche (01 Oct 1943 - 20 Nov 1943)
Oberst Max Roth (20 Nov 1943 - 11 June 1944)
Generalmajor Reinhold Gothsche (11 Jun 1944 - 01 Jul 1944)

Area of operations

Norway (Oct 1943 - May 1944)
Denmark (May 1944 - June 1944)

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 03:35 PM

Feedback

I can see that you are strong in knowledge of the Panzer in Norway AntiqueWW2.

Well, now it is time for you to say you are sorry about the RK items. I ask everyone to read all AntiqueWW2 post in this thread, and his comments about the RK items. Also read the space/fantasy etc.

Probably will AntiqueWW2 try to moderate himself a little bit after the litteratur now is being showed, but then he has a serious problem with his 80% fake. Im sure you will come up with something new, because you are not able to say that you were wrong, except from the eagle of course....

Attached in pictures from the book from John R. Angolia, the great "In the service of the reich". With your 28 years of experience i would presume that you have heard about Angolia, but im not sure, because then you would nevner have said something about all the RK Items.

The book contains a lot, i only show the part with armband and cufftitle from the book. This is more than enough, and the author speaks for himself. If you continue (ref. all your post with direct feedback on RK items) to refuse the RK items now, you are showing for all Wermacht Awards, that you are not capable of accepting this. You will also say Angolia book is wrong.

You dont have to answer anything else than the RK items now, let us take this first.

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 03:41 PM

Angolia

Especially the armband have got heavy treatment from AntiqueWW2. Well, have a look at both mine and Angolia ref. Have a look at the Reichkommisariat stamping to (placed at the O, and touching the K and M).

Sorry that your expertise fell apart with RK Norwegian items AntiqueWW2...

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 04:00 PM

What are you? 5 Years old? And nothing fell anywhere apart. Now you show up with a book and now your Armband is automatic real? Well i am sorry to disappoint you, but i told this last time, and i repeat myself now, as long as i do not see this Armband in wear on a Tunic it remains for me what it is, crap and a book will this not change. I was hoping you bing at last a Picture today with this Armband on a Tunic, then i would have learn something....books i have myself enough, they are helpful but not always correct.

You start with your bogus SS Sholderboard where you take down every opinion from anyone, then you say that everything comes from one guy in one lot from the End of war. Shoulderboards are fake as crap, no SS Panzer Unit ever was in Norway so something end not up for me there. But what ever it is, i am just someone who give my opinion, and i am not in Kindergarten to make her all night bla bla with someone who not listen to nothing. Take your book together with the Cuff and simple be happy with it.

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

Especially the armband have got heavy treatment from AntiqueWW2. Well, have a look at both mine and Angolia ref. Have a look at the Reichkommisariat stamping to (placed at the O, and touching the K and M).

Sorry that your expertise fell apart with RK Norwegian items AntiqueWW2...

**wehl** · 02-19-2018, 04:23 PM

i dont know if the straps are real or not ,just of note" lach rosa waffenfarbe" was used by SS Wehrgeologen ,and its may fit for Norwegen !

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 04:23 PM

Congratulations

Congratulations to AntiqueWW2 to not accepting the armband and RK Norway items.

By dont beliving Angolia, an Expert so far beyond you, makes you look so far off. Think about it, reducing Angolia’s knowledge to a «book». This author deserves far more respect.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 04:37 PM

I guess i was wrong with 5 years old

I do not say anything against Angolia or any kind of book, they are very helpful but not enough to get a 100% on the authentication of an item, sorry. And Angolia did use a lot of Pictures from other Collectors, and in your Case he used it from the late Ed Stadnicki. You need to learn just one thing.....never shoot to fast....and never with the wrong ammunition. As long as you as professional RK Collector with a Book do not show up with a actual Picture where this Cuff is on a Tunic i will always repeat myself....Crap. And i was very nice to you i try to help and give you some advice but when you start to act like you did at the start i can go on with you until Hell freezes over....so please....think what you like my opinion i gave you and thats about it for your Items...enjoy them just do not try to made up a Story about a super rare lot found somewhere at the End of the war when it is a put together xyz......

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

Congratulations to AntiqueWW2 to not accepting the armband and RK Norway items.

By dont beliving Angolia, an Expert so far beyond you, makes you look so far off. Think about it, reducing Angolia’s knowledge to a «book». This author deserves far more respect.

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 04:51 PM

Lot

The lot was bought directly from the Millorg man, so not put together. As long as you not accepting the armband, you also say that Angolia is not correct. You say that He is wrong because He/me dont show it in use.

If you had any knowledge about Angolia and his work, you would NEVER say that the armband is crap and you would not even have been thinking about question Angolia expertise om this.

Everyone who knows Angolia, when He put his name to it, it would not be a topic.

This is not about rest of the lot, that comes later, together with RK patch in use. It is at filmavisen at nrk.no I have to look it up again and take screenshot, it will be a delight. This is about you refusing Angolia as reference, wich is nothing but astonishing.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 04:58 PM

yeah for sure....so your Milrog Man had a fake not pair of SS Shoulderboards....yes....and Santa Clause is real too...no clue what you try to sell....i do not care a second just stop try it with me i will not buy this crap. And i do not say anything is wrong, i say where he got the picture, i know perfectly fine from where....and for me the only proof is show it to me in wear on a tunic and not in a book. And i do know Angolia i know his work and his books, nothing against the Man he put out very helpful tools for collectors but that say nothing about your particular Armband and that is a fact. This remains what i repeat now X Times, it is CRAP for me. And this conversation getting tired i guess i am the only Idiot who over and over answer but you think you are right so be it...i wrote already be happy....

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

The lot was bought directly from the Millorg man, so not put together. As long as you not accepting the armband, you also say that Angolia is not correct. You say that He is wrong because He/me dont show it in use.

If you had any knowledge about Angolia and his work, you would NEVER say that the armband is crap and you would not even have been thinking about question Angolia expertise om this.

Everyone who knows Angolia, when He put his name to it, it would not be a topic.

This is not about rest of the lot, that comes later, together with RK patch in use. It is at filmavisen at nrk.no I have to look it up again and take screenshot, it will be a delight. This is about you refusing Angolia as reference, wich is nothing but astonishing.

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 05:08 PM

Angolia

I just say that when stating that the Armband is crap, then you also say that Angolia is wrong with his book. You are free to have this opinion, but anyone with knowledge about Angolia work, knows that he would never put this armband as real in his book, if it`s not.

I hope that all items discussed, all over the world, have a picture in use. If not they are of course false. Start preparing a speach when you will be provided with the patch in use.

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 05:16 PM

I am down to 2 years now

I really not need to prepare anything and with everyone i know i had a very nice and good conversation but when i ran into someone who thinks he owns the holy grail and come with a story what not end up a bit then of course i start to think, i am not someone who anyone can fool that easy and i not say always yes yes yes. I do use myself a hole range of books in collecting but not as a COA for everything but as a Tool to guide me and nothing else. Anyone is free to do what he like, i learn in my time as Collector no story no book no nothing beside a fact and a solid story will make something good, and of course to have the item in my hand what is over anything the most important tool. And all i did here in your case is question the story what starts with a big tralala and fake boards. I always will learn something new every day until i close my eyes.....but how i learn i choose.....so no speech needed.....enjoy your items....

Originally posted by ruggeri View Post

I just say that when stating that the Armband is crap, then you also say that Angolia is wrong with his book. You are free to have this opinion, but anyone with knowledge about Angolia work, knows that he would never put this armband as real in his book, if it`s not.

I hope that all items discussed, all over the world, have a picture in use. If not they are of course false. Start preparing a speach when you will be provided with the patch in use.

**ruggeri** · 02-19-2018, 05:19 PM

Angolia

Well, its more than enough for me that you dont belive Angolia expertise, more than enough. Patch is just around the corner. Congratulations.

**jmcm** · 02-19-2018, 05:23 PM

Lets see who can piss further and chose a winner!

**AntiqueWW2** · 02-19-2018, 05:27 PM

No worry i pack down myself...enough is enough....but it made 2 Nights very very lets say interesting......

Originally posted by jmcm View Post

Lets see who can piss further and chose a winner!

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