SS Generals Baton Question

[C. Betz]

What's This Picture About?

Oberscharfuhrer, assigned to/had served in, the LAH holding an interim baton.

Charles Betz

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Oberscharfuhrer, assigned to/had served in, the LAH holding an interim baton.

Charles Betz

Why not talk about the fake camo smocks pictured here as originals for comparison with a pink smock-again look into ww2 german clothing documentiation before you say something is real or not. The documentation textbook for the tarnjacke sheds few details on the "originals" .
Probably someone has this picured the panzerkombinatzion and tarnjacke ww2 drawings that are on same page.

It is the upper set of eyelets which based on ww2 documentation should be on the upper edge of the material. You have 3 types of smocks.
Type I, Type I with elastic and lower positioned pocket access, and type type II. On all of these the upper set of lace eyelets is at the edge of the material.
In these photos posted here only the Palm smock has the textbook positioning.

[mo-do]

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Charles Betz[/QUOTE]
Why not talk about the fake camo smocks pictured here as originals for comparison with a pink smock-again look into ww2 german clothing documentiation before you say something is real or not. The documentation textbook for the tarnjacke sheds few details on the "originals" .
Probably someone has this ww2 picture the panzerkombinatzion and tarnjacke ww2 drawings that are on same page of that documentation.

It is the upper set of eyelets which based on ww2 documentation should be on the upper edge of the material. You have 3 types of smocks.
Type I, Type I with elastic at the opening, and lower positioned pocket access, and type type II with hbt pockets.
The repros positioning of these eyelets is different.

1) On all of original smocks type I, type II, the upper set of lace eyelets is at the edge of the material -all the repros have that set of eyelets lowered by about 1/2 inch.
In the photos posted here by kammoman only the Palm smock has the textbook positioning of the eyelets.
Can you find ww2 photos that prove ?

2)All of the type II smocks with hbt pockets should have folded (sewn edge of the cuff)
3)All type I smocks should have unfolded cuff or woven edge of fabric.

[C. Betz]

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Why did you attribute this rant to me:"Charles Betz[/QUOTE] Why not talk about the fake camo smocks pictured here as originals for comparison with a pink smock-again look into ww2 german clothing documentiation before you say something is real or not. The documentation textbook for the tarnjacke sheds few details on the "originals" .
Probably someone has this picured the panzerkombinatzion and tarnjacke ww2 drawings that are on same page.

It is the upper set of eyelets which based on ww2 documentation should be on the upper edge of the material. You have 3 types of smocks.
Type I, Type I with elastic and lower positioned pocket access, and type type II. On all of these the upper set of lace eyelets is at the edge of the material.
In these photos posted here only the Palm smock has the textbook positioning."

It seems the thread has gone from batons to smocks. Time to put this puppy to bed.

Charles Betz

[mo-do]

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Why did you attribute this rant to me:"Charles Betz

Why not talk about the fake camo smocks pictured here as originals for comparison with a pink smock-again look into ww2 german clothing documentiation before you say something is real or not. The documentation textbook for the tarnjacke sheds few details on the "originals" .
Probably someone has this picured the panzerkombinatzion and tarnjacke ww2 drawings that are on same page.

It is the upper set of eyelets which based on ww2 documentation should be on the upper edge of the material. You have 3 types of smocks.
Type I, Type I with elastic and lower positioned pocket access, and type type II. On all of these the upper set of lace eyelets is at the edge of the material.
In these photos posted here only the Palm smock has the textbook positioning."

It seems the thread has gone from batons to smocks. Time to put this puppy to bed.

Charles Betz[/QUOTE]

Good night.

[jmcm]

I was watching this to find out if it ever existed, but now it people rambling about nothing!!

[Silberkreuz]

If this was posting was on the WRF forum it would have been “ blasted out of the water instantly”
This is making a mockery of this fine forum

[Dr. Strangelove]

Baton

Hey, come over here Kid....I got a nice SS Marshalls Baton to sell you.

[Jeff V]

Why not talk about the fake camo smocks pictured here as originals for comparison with a pink smock-again look into ww2 german clothing documentiation before you say something is real or not. The documentation textbook for the tarnjacke sheds few details on the "originals" .
Probably someone has this picured the panzerkombinatzion and tarnjacke ww2 drawings that are on same page.

It is the upper set of eyelets which based on ww2 documentation should be on the upper edge of the material. You have 3 types of smocks.
Type I, Type I with elastic and lower positioned pocket access, and type type II. On all of these the upper set of lace eyelets is at the edge of the material.
In these photos posted here only the Palm smock has the textbook positioning.

Stop with the eyelet positioning nonsense. You have already been shown a picture by Robert debunking your theory based on some drawings. If you have anything useful to add post it but I don't want to see another post about the eyelets as you have already been proven wrong on this matter.

[mo-do]

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Stop with the eyelet positioning nonsense. You have already been shown a picture by Robert debunking your theory based on some drawings. If you have anything useful to add post it but I don't want to see another post about the eyelets as you have already been proven wrong on this matter.

This thread does not pertain to camo smocks and as you stated :
"The goal is not censorship but preservation of thread integrity".
So why mix 2 threads???

[Jeff V]

This thread does not pertain to camo smocks and as you stated :
"The goal is not censorship but preservation of thread integrity".
So why mix 2 threads???

Good question, why don't you answer your own question? You keep posting about smocks in a baton thread.

[mo-do]

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Good question, why don't you answer your own question? You keep posting about smocks in a baton thread.

I havent been proven wrong in regards to the smocks lack of conformity to any texled documentation, these "line drawings"are ww2 era and I bet that 90% of original smocks conformed to these drawings . Both the pink smocks, brick, and the ones made with chainstiching machinery are fantasy . Pointless to say more. The HBT tunic found in soviet museum could be real regardless if it has soviet stamps or not.