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    #16
    Dup post somehow...

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      #17
      Originally posted by TP Alexander View Post
      Jerry,
      I think this guy, mo-do, is just funning us.
      Just to give him the benefit of the doubt, I took my desktop up to 400%.
      There’s not the slightest doubt that it’s just an artist’s rendering.
      Otherwise, why is there only one fifth of a baton on top??!
      Merry Christmas from Tennessee to you, way up there in the Land of the Polar Express!
      Tim
      Why not contact the book author mr Ray Cowdery and or the museum ?

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        #18
        Many times I was and worked in the museum of the Russian (Soviet) army, there isn't present and there was no SS Generals Baton

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          #19
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          Originally posted by Stive View Post
          Many times I was and worked in the museum of the Russian (Soviet) army, there isn't present and there was no SS Generals Baton
          So what is it then? Perhaps an Icon of some type?

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            #20
            IMO is a picture poster

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              #21
              Originally posted by mo-do View Post
              So what is it then? Perhaps an Icon of some type?
              Perhaps an period drawn artist rendering of a planned SS baton that never went further than the drawing table because no SS general reached Generalfeldmarschall-level.

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                #22
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                We can be 100% sure ?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Donnerwetter View Post
                  no SS general reached Generalfeldmarschall-level.
                  This is all so much nonsense.
                  If a rank were to be equivalent to Generalfeldmarschall, I am sure that Reichsfuhrer would be good enough.
                  However, if you give a baton to Himmler, then you might as well give one to Goebbels.
                  Although the Waffen SS was a military formation, in the end, they always fought under Wehrmacht supervision.
                  When you get to the top echelon of the SS, you are looking at a Party organization, not a military formation.
                  End of story.

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                    #24
                    Since there were plans for the rank of SS-Volksmarschall and prbably also drawings made for this rank, it is not impossible that also designs were made for a Volksmarschall baton.

                    http://deacademic.com/dic.nsf/dewiki/1472705

                    Then if it was ever produced, well maybe time will tell. All of a sudden things appear that changes history.
                    Originally posted by TP Alexander View Post
                    This is all so much nonsense.
                    If a rank were to be equivalent to Generalfeldmarschall, I am sure that Reichsfuhrer would be good enough.
                    However, if you give a baton to Himmler, then you might as well give one to Goebbels.
                    Although the Waffen SS was a military formation, in the end, they always fought under Wehrmacht supervision.
                    When you get to the top echelon of the SS, you are looking at a Party organization, not a military formation.
                    End of story.

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                      #25
                      Like I said if you search the Nett you will find this 4th Reich item you seek.
                      Just Google... Feldmarshall batons and you will see a few pics half way down the page.. Totally fake off course.

                      Can not believe thus thread is still on the screen.

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                        Originally posted by Silberkreuz View Post
                        Like I said if you search the Nett you will find this 4th Reich item you seek.
                        Just Google... Feldmarshall batons and you will see a few pics half way down the page.. Totally fake off course.

                        Can not believe thus thread is still on the screen.

                        Its not the same as the ones you google in- its different.
                        IT has alternative eagle- skull design and the runes are only present at the handle.
                        Why would they keep repros in a museum? I bet they have or have had a database item number for it, in that museum with a historical description.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by mo-do View Post
                          Its not the same as the ones you google in- its different.
                          IT has alternative eagle- skull design and the runes are only present at the handle.
                          Why would they keep repros in a museum? I bet they have or have had a database item number for it, in that museum with a historical description.
                          I am afraid to tell you, it wouldn't be the first museum to feature repros. There is no evidence, either in the literature or in photos, of any SS baton being issued, given as a gift/reward, or otherwise. If you find a period photo of one, then you've found the holy grail. I wouldn't hold my breath.

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                            #28
                            Museums do not have fakes!!! So everything you see is original..
                            Well Ive been to soooo many in Germany and the fakes are rife... It's the collectors who have all the good rare stuff and the museums have to have High end copies to fool the public.


                            Originally posted by mo-do View Post
                            Its not the same as the ones you google in- its different.
                            IT has alternative eagle- skull design and the runes are only present at the handle.
                            Why would they keep repros in a museum? I bet they have or have had a database item number for it, in that museum with a historical description.

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                              Originally posted by wolfslair44 View Post
                              I am afraid to tell you, it wouldn't be the first museum to feature repros. There is no evidence, either in the literature or in photos, of any SS baton being issued, given as a gift/reward, or otherwise. If you find a period photo of one, then you've found the holy grail. I wouldn't hold my breath.
                              As I mentioned in my previous post, I will add this, upon searching and looking through thousands of photos from occupied areas of General Gouvernement
                              as part of research on resistance movements in the year and month of feb 1944 in GG ( in which only few people seem to be knowledgeable), there is a photo of Himmler with this type of baton inspecting W-SS troops. The photo exists either in Bundesarchiv or archive photos of one of the eastern european countries, the baton was not my primary topic of interest nor its existance upon the research, I only brought up the topic now hoping some light would shed on it. Have you heard about the existance of KL-Warschau and what authority created it ?

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by mo-do View Post
                                As I mentioned in my previous post, I will add this, upon searching and looking through thousands of photos from occupied areas of General Gouvernement
                                as part of research on resistance movements in the year and month of feb 1944 in GG ( in which only few people seem to be knowledgeable), there is a photo of Himmler with this type of baton inspecting W-SS troops. The photo exists either in Bundesarchiv or archive photos of one of the eastern european countries, the baton was not my primary topic of interest nor its existance upon the research, I only brought up the topic now hoping some light would shed on it. Have you heard about the existance of KL-Warschau and what authority created it ?
                                If you find photographic proof of Himmler carrying a baton then cudos to you, you will have found a rare treasure. Until then....

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