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    #16
    Too many "ifs"... Not for me

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      #17
      Originally posted by Felix View Post
      Too many "ifs"... Not for me

      Not standard without doubt but in my opinion there are not that many ''ifs'' not for me to belive this is a period example that at some point has been reapplied for further use, anomaly for sure

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        #18
        that is a good study, was the piece with the skull sewn onto another tab?

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          #19
          Originally posted by John T View Post
          that is a good study, was the piece with the skull sewn onto another tab?
          John, the only way to really know would be to remove some of the back stitching and peal back a corner of the tab and with a torch check the back of the black backing This i wont be doing Im thinking if bullion TK correct and the actual tab is correct then for some reason they were put together
          p.s. the above comment would of course only work if the tab used wasnt a blank before the addition of the TK.

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            #20
            Originally posted by dragnet View Post
            John, the only way to really know would be to remove some of the back stitching and peal back a corner of the tab and with a torch check the back of the black backing This i wont be doing Im thinking if bullion TK correct and the actual tab is correct then for some reason they were put together
            p.s. the above comment would of course only work if the tab used wasnt a blank before the addition of the TK.
            yes of course, the white lines were a guide so that the orientation of the finished tab was correct when put on the buckram and looked at from the front, cant not say if I ever recall seeing a blank tab with the lines but possible, but do not recall so, it would then of course be possible a finished tab of some sort was indeed used as a base with the skull piece that was removed from another tab that was perhaps maybe mothed or damaged or even a vertical then added, the orientation looks a tiny bit off but would have to compare and if so by no more than maybe 5 percent aprox, nice piece, and I have seen removed skulls, redone like this onto other tabs during the era-

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              #21
              I cant see anybody chopping up an original TK tab in recent times to do this. It just doesn't make sense to me, even if it was damaged. It doesn't look like they were trying to fool a collector. It seems to make more sense that it was done during the war. To me, it was done in the field. The zig-zag stitching on back was common for the era. I'm not saying just factory but a way of reinforcing. I'm wondering if owner could get some close-up pics of stitching on skull edges [if it was stitched on]. If it was glued on, forget it. It would also be nice to see some evidence of it being tunic attached [if it was]. Try holding it up to a bright light.

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                #22
                Whatever happened to this tab ?

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                  #23
                  Zu viel

                  Problematic, pass.

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                    #24
                    I handled this at Stoneleigh last weekend

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                      Problematic, pass.
                      Where's your sense of adventure Dr.?
                      Collecting textbook becomes boring, it's the variations that make collecting interesting!

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                        #26
                        Variations?

                        I love variations! Bullion, flatwire and rzm, I like them all, but when the back of a tab looks like a rack im a BDSM torture room, I am out!

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                          #27
                          Modified tab by using later period tab and earlier bullion skull. Why not?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                            but when the back of a tab looks like a rack im a BDSM torture room, I am out!
                            .......however the tab had been an enlisted tab at the start of its life the base material is badge cloth (felt) and the tk which would have come more likely from a pre war tab hand sewn on......upgrading and alterations goes on in many ways .....but in today’s climate I understand the skepticism.......as for the back and the messy way it’s been constructed seen that on many tabs not just SS ...and it’s not like it’s on show.... like the one below.


                            PS how do you know about BDSM torture Rooms
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                              #29
                              Bdsm ss tab

                              PS how do you know about BDSM torture Rooms :

                              You would be shocked at what you see on prime time tv!

                              The more excuses you gotta make for an item...

                              And this item sure requires a lot of explaining.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                                PS how do you know about BDSM torture Rooms :

                                You would be shocked at what you see on prime time tv!

                                The more excuses you gotta make for an item...

                                And this item sure requires a lot of explaining.

                                That’s right blame TV .......


                                As for the item.....it now has a new home

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