A display of "blurred edge" camouflage pieces

[kammo man]

Guru's are always bad news.

Suprising this one turned into the guy he hates, selling this fake cap and vouching for fake "horde" covers

Please explain this statement ?

[dhunter93]

I was shown cap in hand and took the plunge.

So Lorenzo gets trashed as a crook, you somehow find and buy the cap you said was fake, declare it real, and then sell it ?

This looks like more crooked WAF stuff.

[John Pic]

Not surprised. It's the big game. Buy fake sell real. Get a few high enders to back you or stay silent while others get fleeced or peoples characters are assassinated in long drawn out threads only to find out later the shooters cash in on it. Had a few tunics trashed here by "experts" along with insults only to see them offered for sale again at triple value by associates or friends of the people who trashed them.

[R.H.J]

Do not need to explain anything, its quite clear!

[Jeff V]

Owen, are the camo helmet covers coming from Lorenzo now 100% real if they are in your collection?
I'm sorry I don't buy that lame excuse that the gigantic pictures in the other thread that made you condemn the hat as a "100%" fake" were somehow inadequate. Now that you had the cap in hand it magically transforms into "100% real".

[David T]

Well, now its being implied that Kammo Man trashed the cap....devalued it...to pick it up cheap. Actually that's not the case. Judging by WAF thread "SS Plane Tree #4 Cap" started bY "Segeltuchtasche" post #120 dated 12/26/2014 (almost 2yrs prior to the whole Lorenzo thread) the cap was already in KammoMans collection. So he owned the cap....he was trashing.....in order to trash another collector! Hard to follow...starts to get confusing in depths of this rabbit hole.

It really begs the question....If you can't recognize your own cap from those "gigantic" pics....how can one judge so many caps and helmet covers as good and bad from a few WAF pics? Tell-Tale signs and all? WTF?

[dhunter93]

It’s becoming such a rats nest / fakes become real of WAF with regularity/ dealers using fake user names to pump things up or tear them down. This hobby was always filled with crooks but it’s now reached critical mass.

[kammo man]

Well, now its being implied that Kammo Man trashed the cap....devalued it...to pick it up cheap. Actually that's not the case. Judging by WAF thread "SS Plane Tree #4 Cap" started bY "Segeltuchtasche" post #120 dated 12/26/2014 (almost 2yrs prior to the whole Lorenzo thread) the cap was already in KammoMans collection. So he owned the cap....he was trashing.....in order to trash another collector! Hard to follow...starts to get confusing in depths of this rabbit hole.

It really begs the question....If you can't recognize your own cap from those "gigantic" pics....how can one judge so many caps and helmet covers as good and bad from a few WAF pics? Tell-Tale signs and all? WTF?

You are so weird and this theory takes the cake.
Completely bonkers.

[kammo man]

Owen, are the camo helmet covers coming from Lorenzo now 100% real if they are in your collection?
I'm sorry I don't buy that lame excuse that the gigantic pictures in the other thread that made you condemn the hat as a "100%" fake" were somehow inadequate. Now that you had the cap in hand it magically transforms into "100% real".

As we all say.
In hand inspection changes everything.
This is one of those very cases.

The hobby is driven by shows and in hand inspection.
Its common sense to do this.

Following what you say about the Lorenzo helmet covers has no bearing here.

[Jeff V]

As we all say.
In hand inspection changes everything.
This is one of those very cases.

The hobby is driven by shows and in hand inspection.
Its common sense to do this.

Following what you say about the Lorenzo helmet covers has no bearing here.

I understand. The problem is pronouncements of "100% fake" do not leave much room for "in hand inspections".
Since I don't see anyone stepping forward to support the originality of this cap the simple and easy solution is to accept the return of the cap and refund the money if that is what the original poster wishes.

[kammo man]

Cap is already on its way back for full refund.
That process was began when I returned from my travels when I got on line yesterday evening.

[Jeff V]

Cap is already on its way back for full refund.
That process was began when I returned from my travels when I got on line yesterday evening.

Great! Appreciate the news. With that the matter is closed.