Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[pete]

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Stamps aside, and i hope something on a stamp may be linked to the writing or numerical listing on a document eventually, such as on the number line. I'm not sure about other eastern countries but some things left over from the communism period are still in use in business, for example black/blue or even red and green stamps colors mean something still on government documents.

To me at least, if you were to look at a pink in person, and i had one, the material is obviously visibly lighter and the washed out color together give you a first impression that they are supposed to be pinkish colored and are of course different....however when unwashed they're obviously darker and brown-just like other items- if we were to heavily wash an m44 dot pattern we could make the same i bet. Conversely if you encountered the pink smocks with the other side first and didn't see the pink side you would just think these are a different material. The red brown hues are quite normal in terms of camouflage, i agree from what i can see.

-Can someone assemble photos of pink smocks like owen has aside each other in various levels of fading next to other relevant items like dot or oakleaf in various shades of fading?

-Does anyone have a pink smock in bad condition who can open a seam which may have not been effected by washing and see if the original color is un-faded and display?


Best regards,

Pete

[Palmenmuster]

No pink ever came from a Vets bring backs FACT.

Every other pattern of SS camouflage DID.
FACT.

Bob Chatt mentioned Jeromes story.
Its been printed here before on this forum before.
I heard him tell it.

On the same note I asked Jerome about the pinks and he was a guy who had everything since the 1960s....
i even got my first SS camouflage cap from him ....a cap that 90th light tried to smear FYI ,and laughed at the pinks saying its NOT something he would ever buy or cared for.
Jerome put SS camouflage collecting on the map.
When he sold his SS pullover collection he had over 30 jackets.
None of the PINK.

Owen, this statement is NOT A FACT, you have no vet bringback with our Norwegian Oakleaf camo parkas made in 1944. As stated in older tread, these are:
1 - Not german made, they are made in Norway 1944.
2- The Oak cloth differ from German cloth because it has a lower quality.
3- The pattern are different because the rollerprinting is longer (as in the Pink) with leads to camo elements not shown in standard German Oak ( as in the Pink)
4- The construction and sewing differs from German garments.

If these parkas was authenticated by the American collectors a few years ago, they would all laugh and call them fakes.

In my opinion, the Pink smocks are made outside Germany late wartime and were stuck in depots.

BTW, do the camo collectors believe in the Norwegian oak parkas ? They are way off German standards, do you believe in Norwegian made SS officer peak caps made by capmaker H.Holm in Oslo? These are also not textbook.
Tom

[istra63]

U.S. Vet bring back activity would have stopped at the Elbe
A lot of german occupied territory to the East!

[viva_giulio]

About green chemical could help not eye.
About Norwegian elongated oak: elongated... not added as pink

[Hilton]

There are no proof of the camouflage fabric used in the "Norwegian Parka" being made/manufactured/printed in Norway, only that the parkas themselves were assembled/manufactured in Norway by the firm Møller in Drammen (Norway). A civilian firm specializing in fur clothing (actually they were rather famous for being the firm that equipped almost all the expeditions to the North-pole ;Roald Amundsen, Fridtjov Nansen, Robert Scott and Sir Ernest Shackleton were all equipped by Møller).

[Daniel.S]

i had the opprrtunity to examine the pink smock with" lets say" a lot of SS smocks.

I went through the stiches and constuction and sewing on basically ALL wartime items.

All i can say is that those who belevie these pink smock are real needs to go back to na na na land.

//Daniel.

[pete]

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They're not 1:1 to standard smocks, we have a million pages of that...

If eventually there is a direct link to these in paper form, then what? Lets just keep at it and sort this out.

[nutmeg]

There is supposed to be more information coming from the film studio in Belarus. We'll see what it is when it gets here.

[Robert H]

You should rather search more west then east to find your research answers that are already known.

[pete]

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I am sure that is well true Robert! Due to what Bob said before, and which is totally understandable, however due to the nature of the information sources, we will never get that. It is interesting though that this in itself points towards them coming from "somewhere" that this information disclosure itself causes actual real life risk...if they had came from somewhere "safe"..well you know what i mean

Best regards,

Pete

[Marc verstraete]

Someone ever considered a scientific test in a forensic labratory to analyse paint types and fabrics used. Maybe they discover post war painttypes, fabrics etc. It might be a chance to end the discussion in a other way.

Some fundraising on the forum, finding a good labratory, finding some samples to test.

I used this method to prove the huge amount of silver painted steel SS buckles that filled the market 15 years ago where fake. In belgium there are a couple labs who do this . In the US there should be no problem at all to find plenty of labs to do this job.

[nutmeg]

You should rather search more west then east to find your research answers that are already known.

I'm concentrating on trying to confirm the studio marking. If that is proven period 100% it's the smoking gun and all against arguments about construction , color , etc are out the window. So far I've proven it's of the same box style with date used by other Soviet studios in the late 1940s. That's enough to convince me, but not entrenched non-believers.

[kammo man]

You are so wrong.

[Fred Fokkelman]

The images shown by Owen in this thread clearly shows the construction differences of the pink smocks. The stichting is different, thread color etc. If the pink smocks are real they should have the same basic characteristics as their counterparts.

[nutmeg]

The images shown by Owen in this thread clearly shows the construction differences of the pink smocks. The stichting is different, thread color etc. If the pink smocks are real they should have the same basic characteristics as their counterparts.

Not everything is textbook