Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[nutmeg]

If Jerome's story is true (don't know him but I accept your confidence in his integrity) that would actually weigh in strongly on side of the authenticity argument. If Floch indeed bought these from Austrian public works as he said it would have to mean he didn't make them . However, until we see what Bob can discover we're just spinning our wheels.

If these smocks were only on the Eastern front , made in a very limited number, or perhaps never even issued to troops in the field GIs wouldn't have any to bring home.

No pink ever came from a Vets bring backs FACT.

Every other pattern of SS camouflage DID.
FACT.

Bob Chatt mentioned Jeromes story.
Its been printed here before on this forum before.
I heard him tell it.

On the same note I asked Jerome about the pinks and he was a guy who had everything since the 1960s....
i even got my first SS camouflage cap from him ....a cap that 90th light tried to smear FYI ,and laughed at the pinks saying its NOT something he would ever buy or cared for.
Jerome put SS camouflage collecting on the map.
When he sold his SS pullover collection he had over 30 jackets.
None of the PINK.

[nutmeg]

If anyones interested I can show 1960s US costume house clothing compared to issue items complete with costume house stamps.

Sure.

Here's another uniform at Mosfilm (not posted previously) . Looks like made from Soviet material, might be of of their costumes or a party tunic of some type?

[nutmeg]

oops posted these twice by accident

[kammo man]

Don ,

You are digging deep into your excuse box for pinks existence in WW2.
Defiantly scraping the bottom and looking for crumbs.

Hell there is even a photograph of a Russian solider wearing a pair of the 45 Leiber pattern trousers but NO pink shows up.
Vet acquired items in a foot locker is the key....
Not a story.

owen

[NickG]

Don ,

You are digging deep into your excuse box for pinks existence in WW2.
Defiantly scraping the bottom and looking for crumbs.

Hell there is even a photograph of a Russian solider wearing a pair of the 45 Leiber pattern trousers but NO pink shows up.
Vet acquired items in a foot locker is the key....
Not a story.

owen

Amazing image indeed!
Pinks would not be detectable/distinguishable in period B/W images though....and no US vet access if found in the east (only)

[phild]

No pink ever came from a Vets bring backs FACT.

Every other pattern of SS camouflage DID.
FACT.

Bob Chatt mentioned Jeromes story.
Its been printed here before on this forum before.
I heard him tell it.

On the same note I asked Jerome about the pinks and he was a guy who had everything since the 1960s....
i even got my first SS camouflage cap from him ....a cap that 90th light tried to smear FYI ,and laughed at the pinks saying its NOT something he would ever buy or cared for.
Jerome put SS camouflage collecting on the map.
When he sold his SS pullover collection he had over 30 jackets.
None of the PINK.

You know this is BS on so many levels. I don't care what Jerome had or didn't have and he did not put SS camo on the map. By your logic, if a vet did not bring a sample of something back then it never existed in German inventory, what hogwash as is this tired old collector stupidity of it having to exist in a photo in order to be real. No wonder so much and so many are the way that they are if these are the guiding principles that they authenticate by.

[nutmeg]

Don ,

You are digging deep into your excuse box for pinks existence in WW2.
Defiantly scraping the bottom and looking for crumbs.

Hell there is even a photograph of a Russian solider wearing a pair of the 45 Leiber pattern trousers but NO pink shows up.
Vet acquired items in a foot locker is the key....
Not a story.

owen

But Owen it isn't and you can't prove they didn't use them . You can only prove they are not like the standard item (which you have done beautifully in detail) . I can't understand what the huge resistance to someone trying to uncover the truth about these seems to be. The truth might prove you correct!

[nutmeg]

Amazing image indeed!
Pinks would not be detectable/distinguishable in period B/W images though....and no US vet access if found in the east (only)

Speaking of Liebers here's one at Mosfilm with 1949 studio markings (similar to the pink smock marking)

[kammo man]

You know this is BS on so many levels. I don't care what Jerome had or didn't have and he did not put SS camo on the map. By your logic, if a vet did not bring a sample of something back then it never existed in German inventory, what hogwash as is this tired old collector stupidity of it having to exist in a photo in order to be real. No wonder so much and so many are the way that they are if these are the guiding principles that they authenticate by.

No comment here.

[Basil]

I make no claims to be an expert on SS camouflage and I have no dog in this fight but the images that Owen/Kammo Man has posted in this thread lead me to think that the pink smocks are not of original German WW2 manufacture.

[phild]

I make no claims to be an expert on SS camouflage and I have no dog in this fight but the images that Owen/Kammo Man has posted in this thread lead me to think that the pink smocks are not of original German WW2 manufacture.

I agree with you. The photos posted by Owen were great as were the examples he selected (except his pink example) but many of us have done these stitch by stitch comparisons going many years back, in may case about 25 years ago a compared it side by side with a German made smock.

[nutmeg]

[QUOTE=kammo man;7865843]No pink ever came from a Vets bring backs FACT.

Owen, You're getting me confused! A few posts back you said to believe the item not the story. So does that mean if someone comes here and says they got a pink from a vet's footlocker he should be believed , or not? If not you can't use the "fact" that no one brought one home as evidence since stories are not believable. I am right?

[kammo man]

Vet with the capture papers.

[kammo man]

Speaking of Liebers here's one at Mosfilm with 1949 studio markings (similar to the pink smock marking)

This is the only stamps I can find inside this 45 Cammo



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[kammo man]

I agree with you. The photos posted by Owen were great as were the examples he selected (except his pink example) but many of us have done these stitch by stitch comparisons going many years back, in may case about 25 years ago a compared it side by side with a German made smock.

I did it side by side with 20 different jackets and it was found lacking.

NO ONE HAS DONE THST BEFORE not even you.......