Uber rare Wiking Tab

[Winkelman]

Hi,

my apologies yes it was the one previously owned by TomH, i forgot to mention that. So i only have 5 originals in my archives.

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Vince

Back to the " Drakkar longboat " ;

Mr. Vince , did you consider the following 2 ?

1. posted by William Kramer , serial number fits in perfectly .

[Winkelman]

2. posted by Sayle F. ,
number is higher but close enough
( tags in between may have been used on other tabs at same factory )

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

wow Winkelman, amazing discoveries (for me at least) you posted !

I didn't had those two originals, so my (personal) total count is now 7 confirmed originals, 5 of them with a "118" RZM numbered sticker on the back.

The one with number 386713 is very interesting you are right.
For now, the 4 other tabs with numbered stickers are all in the same range :
379967
380512
380523
381280
(total = 1,313 produced tabs ?)
With this new one, if all between numbers are the drakkar bow model, it will make 6,746 produced tabs. But you are again right, we can't be sure that all the number where listed for this model.
It could be interesting to find other "118" stickers to know if other items had numbers between 381280 and 386713.

All those tabs were found on the WAF or on publications. So i'm sure many many more exist in private collections.

See You

Vince

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

This RZM-probe set would be interesting to have a closer look at. Don't remember if these are from Mr. Delich as well?

as far i know it seemed that David Delich had in his collection two originals (pictures included in my 5+4 picture), the ones posted in your picture do not match them.

The one on the bottom left is similar to the one of the bottom right of my "6-fakes" picture (with the very caracteristic "red" tip - and of course the "straight" white cross), and the one on the bottom right (officer) is very similar (if not the actual same) as the "RZM" officer model i have in my archives.
You can see the "lack" of white at the bottom of the vertical white line of the cross.

What is interesting is to see that the "RZM" officer is posted with a "matching" (?) blank tab... Could it be a proof of the swindle to use original or fake blank tab, and pimp them with the machine-stitched Danish flag ?

See below comparisons with the various - imo - fakes i have in my archives and the two presented in this RZM-probe set.

I'm not a specialist of most of the other tabs on this RZM-probe set, but many look to be Delta ones ?

The first drakkar bow tab seemed to be quite good (but the quality is very low unfortunately), the second one is clearly a repro/fake. I'm posting a "better" (!) pictures of the two tabs also below.

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Vince

[Christian J]

Hi,



as far i know it seemed that David Delich had in his collection two originals (pictures included in my 5+4 picture), the ones posted in your picture do not match them.

I'm quite certain those two are from the danish Armory, a museum in Copenhagen. Together with all the Schalburg material also posted.

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

just to be sure, we are talking of the RZM-probe picture you posted, or another picture ?

If we are talking of the RZM-probe picture,it will not the first time (or the last) that fakes are flooding museum collections (and well known collections auctioned).
The WAF is full of ugly stories.

Most of museums don't track/picture their stuff, so no matter the source and "honesty" it can't be taken as gospel unfortunately.

Also we don't know if the tabs pictured are listed as "originals" or just "visual repros" to show the available SS tab types.

What we can say for sure is that they are from the same types i identified previously.
Wasn't this RZM-probe pic already discussed here ? Because i'm sure that many are 70's well known repros. Maybe we can do a topic on it ?

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Vince

[Christian J]

Hi,

just to be sure, we are talking of the RZM-probe picture you posted, or another picture ?

If we are talking of the RZM-probe picture,it will not the first time (or the last) that fakes are flooding museum collections (and well known collections auctioned).
The WAF is full of ugly stories.

Most of museums don't track/picture their stuff, so no matter the source and "honesty" it can't be taken as gospel unfortunately.

Also we don't know if the tabs pictured are listed as "originals" or just "visual repros" to show the available SS tab types.

What we can say for sure is that they are from the same types i identified previously.
Wasn't this RZM-probe pic already discussed here ? Because i'm sure that many are 70's well known repros. Maybe we can do a topic on it ?

See You

Vince

Hi Vince,

Nah, talking about the picture with the two chain stitched examples and the flatwire Freikorps Danmark cufftitle.
Can't remembering seeing a topic of this one before. I'll do a search for it.

[Winkelman]

Hi,

wow Winkelman, amazing discoveries (for me at least) you posted !

I didn't had those two originals, so my (personal) total count is now 7 confirmed originals, 5 of them with a "118" RZM numbered sticker on the back.

The one with number 386713 is very interesting you are right.
For now, the 4 other tabs with numbered stickers are all in the same range :
379967
380512
380523
381280
(total = 1,313 produced tabs ?)
With this new one, if all between numbers are the drakkar bow model, it will make 6,746 produced tabs. But you are again right, we can't be sure that all the number where listed for this model.
It could be interesting to find other "118" stickers to know if other items had numbers between 381280 and 386713.

All those tabs were found on the WAF or on publications. So i'm sure many many more exist in private collections.

See You

Vince

Hello Vince ,

IMHO not necessarily 6746 produced longboat tabs , because maybe some tags were used for a batch of insignia produced in between .
It would be interesting to find such a number , because they certainly made many more different tabs .
Here's a regular RZM runes posted by Realone ..

[Alan Wilson]

Guys, I am not an SS collector so know next to nothing about the field. I did add this tab to the collection some 40 years ago. It seems to match those appearing here. Your opinion will be welcomed. Mike

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

welcome to the club Mike, your tab is 100% legit.

And it is another one in the 386 thousand, interesting !

My count is now of 8 identified tabs so far.

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Vince

[Winkelman]

So while we're at it , here's 3 more that you may or may not have seen before ;

1. At Helmut WEITZE , no tag ..

( also to be seen here - Paul s. ) >> http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...kjemper&page=4

[Winkelman]

Yet unnamed in my file , possibly RobertE. ?

[Winkelman]

3. Shown by " relicstashr " .
Tag somehow looks off , and the serial number is way out of the sequence of the others ..

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hello Winkelman,

yes, we need to check if we can find RZM number
before 379 thousand
after 381 thousand
before 386 thousand
after 386 thousand

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Vince

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

Yet unnamed in my file , possibly RobertE. ?

yes, posted by RobertE.

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Vince