Sleeve Eagle for SS-Officers

[ww2.collector]

A friend ask me to start a discussion on the Wehrmacht-Awards-Forum about his Sleeve Eagle.

So all Opinions are welcome
I say him my, but he likes more than one.

[Stossgruppe3]

How interesting ... I'll sit and watch
I personally wouldn't know where to start with this
Regards David

[TP Alexander]

A huge difference between the left and right wings and pinions.

[Journeymontana]

Is it thick? Thin ones are not a good sign.

[ww2.collector]

No more Opinions?

[Bob Hritz]

Where are the claws?

Bob Hritz

[ww2.collector]

Where are the claws?

I cant find them, but here the same

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=842554

[Felix]

Looks like a modernized version of the Sieder fake.

//Felix

[Stossgruppe3]

I cant find them, but here the same

The claws are on top around the side ....
Regards David

[sam1chlt]

Looks like a modernized version of the Sieder fake.

//Felix

I would tend to agree. Looks fresh.

[90th Light]

Where is the "unterlagen" ?

Here are a couple of useful threads where this was discussed/ explained;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=officer+eagle

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=unterlagen

Chris

[ww2.collector]

Where is the "unterlagen" ?

I do not have him in hands, so i only have this picturs too.
I ask him if he can see somthing under the Bullion and he said if he push the bullion with a needle beside he can see a paper, so the bird have a "Unterlagen".

I would tend to agree. Looks fresh.

Its no sign for original or copy if some items looks Fresh, i hade items they looked like produced one minut bevor i take them in hand but are 101% original wartime production and that is Called "Stone Mint Condition" it is rar but exist.

[dcdefend]

Seider Fake

Here is one previously identified by John Pic as a Seider fake. Has many similarities.

[brooksbz]

We all miss John Pic.

[90th Light]

I do not have him in hands, so i only have this picturs too.
I ask him if he can see somthing under the Bullion and he said if he push the bullion with a needle beside he can see a paper, so the bird have a "Unterlagen".

In the thread that I started in 2011 which I linked to in post number 11, I showed six different SS officer eagles (5 original, 1 reproduction). All six officer bullion eagles had "unterlagen". However, the reproduction officer eagle from the auction had fake unterlagen.

The next thing to check once you have established that the unterlagen is there, does the unterlagen glow under a black light ? Once the glow or lack of is confirmed, then check what the unterlagen is made of. On "SS officer eagle number 4" in my thread which is the reproduction, the "unterlagen" is quite different to an original and does not glow. However, on "SS officer eagle number 3" (veteran brought back variation with only "six" feathers instead of the regular seven), the cardboard of the "unterlagen" is 101% correct in every way.

I have no problem with a stone-cold mint eagle being original and often the "unterlagen" can be hard to see because the bullion threads are tight and in new condition.

However, based on the images shown here, I am not feeling very positive about the one that started this thread. For me, it needs a serious hands-on inspection to be able to say for sure,

Chris