ss hr sievers on wittmanns site

[salzmann]

what do you think?

http://www.wwiidaggers.com/37727.htm

[M B CHISHOLM]

To many "what if's" concerning the engraving.. I don't like the looks of it at all.. But that's just me..

[Thälmannpionier]

just an observation...they pretty messed up with the name Sievers here... On the CoA from Boyle its written Seivers as well as on some of the paperwork.

Im no Ring Expert but the engraving of Sievers inside the ring looks somewhat strange..at least after Siev.........and thats also just me

[Byzanti]

Check the discussion about it on German daggers forum...

[derek]

Can you provide a link to the discussion you mention please?

[11C]

I like it.......whatever the previous discussion. The price reflects the Gottlieb feeding frenzy of a couple of years ago. I don't see them bringing anywhere near that money now, even with a Boyle COA.

[Gary Symonds]

An original.

All die flaws present.

[kersten]

Sievers was a big Nazi fish in anyone's book - if one can look past the vendor (ugh) and the date engraving issue and Don Boyles spellos then this may be a great buy given Sievers was a genuinely senior Nazi - a good ring but the date engraving bugs me

[Byzanti]

Can you provide a link to the discussion you mention please?

http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...374#Post311374

[Serge M.]

An original.

All die flaws present.

I concur.
A Don Boyle CoA is present, and it's the only way one of these will be sold these days (for decent money).

[phild]

I personally don't see a COA as adding anything these days. This ring is original, in great condition. a very rare award date and not common year to find, well documented wearer and a very interesting wearer.

I don't know what price some feel it should be worth, but unlike most every other type of item in 3rd Reich collecting these rings are truly unique to each bearer. I think that his price is in line given the above factors.

[salzmann]

That's not for me! Cheers!

[daggers]

Hello, the ring itself might be an original one - pics are much too less detailed to do a serious statement.
But the person who did the fake engraving did not know the least and foundamental facts about how these rings had been engraved, how doc and engraving do correspond, how/when HH did sign these docs, when the rings have been bestowed.
The engraving is a clear, ugly and easily to detect fake one.
Greetings, daggers.

[Gary Symonds]

Hello, the ring itself might be an original one - pics are much too less detailed to do a serious statement.
But the person who did the fake engraving did not know the least and foundamental facts about how these rings had been engraved, how doc and engraving do correspond, how/when HH did sign these docs, when the rings have been bestowed.
The engraving is a clear, ugly and easily to detect fake one.
Greetings, daggers.

daggers, what you are claiming is that an original SS Honor Ring, somehow void of engraving, was post war engraved? Highly doubtful.

In my opinion, the hand engraving is of the highest quality.

This is an original HR, both outside and inside.

Whether it is worth 10k, is another story.

[DougE]

IMHO, the date was done post war and not by a European (never seen a 1 in the date like that on any HR). The date on the document is the date Himmler signed it not the award date. My guess is whoever had it re-engraved used the document date as inspiration. Looks reburnished to me as well.