Standarten uniform

[all1knew]

Hello all,

I do not own this tunic, nor am I looking to purchase it, but merely trying to learn about the guy selling it. Do we think it is good or bad? Please let me know either way. Thank you.

William Kramer

http://www.evan.org/joey/uniform/

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi William, where to start? Well it is all bad that is for sure. I don't see a single original item in all of it.


Cheers, Ade.

[DonC]

Hi William -

I believe this one has been gutted on one of the "other" forums as well... Same story aboutthe tunic, same negative responses. I think that probably speaks volumes.

Don

[Jens]

Allgemeine SS with Waffen SS cufftiltle


Looks like its ready for a Hollywood movie with ultrablond nazi-colonel

[Jason G]

Naaaah. Was already in a movie.....think it was "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS".

I'm certainly no certified expert on SS clothing, but I spotted that one without even clicking on the thumbnails. I esp. liked the RZM's all over the place. And....is it my monitor, (which isn't the greatest)....but that blouse/tunic/atrocity looked..well...a shade of 'Barney purple'???

Jason

[all1knew]

Thanks fellas

Hello all,

Thanks for the same response as I had expected. I appreciate more opinions on this awful uniform.....the guy just simply will not accept it.

William Kramer

[Ian Hulley]

Well William,you could start by sending him here :- http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4841

and asking him how a cufftitle which wasn't authorised until 1943 could turn up on what is purported to be a pre-war tunic ! (to be honest I thought these were only made in BeVo anyway ?)

The whole thing is a film prop at best,and at worst a poor attempt at deception.

Cheers,Ian.

(You could also try asking for better shots of the cap insignia....Chris Mc. will soon ascertain their originality.....or not)

[Donald Abenheim]

Well William,you could start by sending him here :- http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4841

and asking him how a cufftitle which wasn't authorised until 1943 could turn up on what is purported to be a pre-war tunic ! (to be honest I thought these were only made in BeVo anyway ?)

The whole thing is a film prop at best,and at worst a poor attempt at deception.

Cheers,Ian.

(You could also try asking for better shots of the cap insignia....Chris Mc. will soon ascertain their originality.....or not)

The cap is quite fake as are the insignia. The tunic might be an old Bundesgrenzschutz piece of the 1950s dyed black, or not. In any case, authentic black uniforms, as you can see in the Beaver books and others, are very distinct in their appearance, which this piece is not. Now that I peer at this for a second time, perhaps it is an Austrian Bundesheer tunic or the like. Notice that the back does not have the seams over the shoulder blades, nor the belt hooks in the rear. The cap is a fake of more recent origin, with the addition of the RZM/SS acceptance stamp on the underside of the visor, which one did not see in these fakes of say the 1950s, 60s and 70s until the folio illustrated works began to appear in great #'s in the past decade. One does well to compare these fake stamps with the originals---more I shall not say---but the stamps themselves are especially poorly done.

[Bob Coleman]

I Must Add My Negative Opinion Towards This Ensemble. I Believe Donald Has Pointed Out More Than Is Necessary Regarding The Spurious Elements Of The Hat And Tunic. Frankly, This Should Not Fool And Intermediate Collector.
Donald-
Good To See You Posting Over Here.
Bob

[Ian Hulley]

I was trying to give William an alternative piece of ammo from another site to throw at the vendor of this pantomime costume. I fear the saying 'You can lead a horse to water..........' springs to mind though.

Ditto Mr Abenheim,great to see another expert on board this side.

Regards,Ian.

[Donald Abenheim]

Thanks

Dear Friends, thank you. The pleasure is all mine to be in such learned and gentle company. The Beaver books show clearly original examples which contrast starkly with this piece above. There are not a lot of images of original uniforms on this site, but there are some on the other site, are there not? I shall not enlarge further on how the 'RZM/SS' acceptance stamp is mangled on these caps, but suffice it to say these stamps are not at all the same. The black uniform has been faked for decades, and the most recent fakes are especially cunning and near perfection in their execution, but they are far from perfect in the ultimate sense. Sapere aude!

[all1knew]

fake

Hello,

Yes, I knew that it was a fake, but I wanted to get some more "ammo" to throw at this guy who wanted $15,000.00 USD for this. He has now left the other forum so this thread has served a good purpose. Thanks for everything.

William Kramer

[DonC]

Hello,

Yes, I knew that it was a fake, but I wanted to get some more "ammo" to throw at this guy who wanted $15,000.00 USD for this. He has now left the other forum so this thread has served a good purpose. Thanks for everything.

William Kramer

Well, if he admits to it being a fake, there goes his $15000... Or, he bought it believing it was an original, probably got a "hell of a good deal" on it, and now is damned sure not gonna admit he threw away the $3000 he was going to use on his wife's kidney transplant...


Don

[Donald Abenheim]

Donnerwetter!

Well, if he admits to it being a fake, there goes his $15000... Or, he bought it believing it was an original, probably got a "hell of a good deal" on it, and now is damned sure not gonna admit he threw away the $3000 he was going to use on his wife's kidney transplant...


Don

That's bloody awful. Cavet emptor and then some, I guess.

[SgtB]

I agree with Donald. The funny thing about this tunic is that when I
examine a purported A-SS tunic, the very first thing I look at is
the lower pockets. On 90% (or better) of all mock-ups, the lower
pockets are patch pockets as on other types of tunics, and not
the flap-only slash pockets as on almost all A-SS uniforms. In a 180
degree twist, the only thing I see that is convincing on this tunic
is the slash pockets. But notice the bizarre chest pockets!