Were there SS cut HBT Panzer wraps?

[derka]

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I have no dog in this race, as i don't collect SS, and this not my wrap.
But i think now you have correct pics to discuss about this particular type of wrap.
derka

[kammo man]

Owen, can I just ask, how does the SS twill differ from the standard Wehrmacht material?

Do your own research as I have done and handle some real pieces.
That way you may and only may begin to learn.


owen

[David Fettes]

Do your own research as I have done and handle some real pieces.That way you may and only may begin to learn.owen

And there was I thinking I had asked a polite question. Some answer, many thanks

And for your information I am mainly a Luftwaffe collector and have owned (and still do) many drillich Luftwaffe uniforms and bits of material. I know my Luftwaffe HBT drillich and was wondering what the difference was.

It would appear that you are better then the rest of us, hope you feel better for that.

[kammo man]

David apologies mate.

I have some wounds from some other threads. Too many people are judging items off photos these days. It takes time with hand inspection to get a sense of the differences. Nothing beats seeing real stuff in hand.

[alexandre]

And for your information I am mainly a Luftwaffe collector and have owned (and still do) many drillich Luftwaffe uniforms and bits of material. I know my Luftwaffe HBT drillich and was wondering what the difference was.

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About the luftwaffe drillich, if you examine 20 HBT jackets or pants...
you will find thin, thick, poor cloth with "ersatz" contents, big VVV
little vvv, differents type of reverse....
Same thing for heer...and same thing for WSS IMO.

Dot pattern 44 were made with smooth cotton, ribbed cotton, and differents type of HBT, in fact all the materials availables produced by the textil industry
and delivered to the uniforms factories.
Difficult to believe a green HBT was specifically produced for waffen-ss...

[David Fettes]

David apologies mate.

Accepted Owen

....you will find thin, thick, poor cloth with "ersatz" contents, big VVV little vvv, differents type of reverse....Same thing for heer...and same thing for WSS IMO.Dot pattern 44 were made with smooth cotton, ribbed cotton, and differents type of HBT, in fact all the materials availables produced by the textil industry and delivered to the uniforms factories.
Difficult to believe a green HBT was specifically produced for waffen-ss...

This was my reason for asking, always willing to learn something new.

[kammo man]

Simply put you have to go off line and into advanced private SS collections to look at the HB.
It does indeed come in a very specific way.
It always has specific hues NOT seen in any other HB used during the time.
It has a quality that is always specific.
I am only talking plain colors and NOT cammo HB.

[SJP]

HBT does exist in various pattern , poor or good quality .
A thin quality will be typical for late war as the cotton fields are "gone" and linen
is a good replacement ?
Those jackets were produced until the DOT came "on the market", spring 44 ?
No markings is not a big deal for WSS items and i prefer to have no markings as "nice"
markings ?
Look at the WSS tropical jackets for example : sometimes in a nice heavy cotton and then a very light shirt poor quality cotton ?
Nick

Hi Nick ,so one is to believe that at
stage of the war there was no need to size the jackets ???.IMHO it is a "big deal"
Cheers Steve

[GAMS1]

I was not talking about to size the jackets , but to have the size markings stamped
somewhere in the jacket !
A paper tag with the sizing was enough to stock it ?
For who were stamped the jackets ? for the collectors later ?
I already saw pieces of WSS uniforms unstamped , that's what i'm calling "not a big deal" !
Especially DOT 44 which was the immediate follower of those green ones ...
Nick

[Howard Kelley]

This is the only SS HBT item I have ever owned in 35+ years of collecting. I've heard of the HBT wraps and protective suits, yet I have only seen them in books.

[brooksbz]

Here is Heer HBT for comparision.

[derka]

This is the only SS HBT item I have ever owned in 35+ years of collecting. I've heard of the HBT wraps and protective suits, yet I have only seen them in books.

This type of HBT material would be specificaly used only for SS garments ?

derka

[galizien41]

I can't tell the scale of your cut off. So is it an arm eagle, with what would be the seam going down the middle of it, or a cap eagle with that seam through it?

This is the only SS HBT item I have ever owned in 35+ years of collecting. I've heard of the HBT wraps and protective suits, yet I have only seen them in books.

[Howard Kelley]

I can't tell the scale of your cut off. So is it an arm eagle, with what would be the seam going down the middle of it, or a cap eagle with that seam through it?

It is a sleeve eagle.

I always believed this was from a HBT protective suit. (coveralls).

[galizien41]

Thanks for the clarification. Very intriguing cut off. Thanks for showing.