Yes Jean-Loup. I owned 2 pairs of ground dug SS boards from Demjansk and they had exactly the same type of rusting. Green oxyd. Maybe not aluminum?
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Pips
Green oxidation is usually from copper-based pip. The copper-alloyed pip was plated or coated with various silver finishes. The green oxidation seems to go through the metal, but I've seen this on things like thinly-plated early, 1st-pattern SS skulls that have a copper base. I have many SA pips made by the exact same companies that made SS pips (if there IS such a thing). Despite the condition of the SA tabs I've seen, the pips NEVER have this much oxidation. In fact, they rarely have ANY. If anyone wants to e-mail me, I'll send you pics of every single one I have. They change color from age, and get a light film on them, but they don't look like coral formations are growing on them. Natural oxidation can contain different colors but a smoother, more even green........ not all crusty-looking. That's more of a sign of possible induced oxidation.......OR...............ground dug, like our esteemed colleague iterated.
In fairness to the tunic, I admit this oxidation COULD occur naturally. I'm not a metallurgist, even though I play one on the forum. It's tough to evaluate these tunics, but usually, when something seems afoul, it sours your opinion on other questionable aspects. Many times, it leads to other red flags.
PS: I don't like the collar. An original can be wrinkled from water damage and all creased, but this one looks misshapen, and like it never even started out flat.
pS II: I think aluminum oxidizes to a grey color, and I know it has a high resistance to deteriorating. Many period aluminum pips look brand new. The shoulderboard pips look like aluminum. BTW, If aluminum touches steel over a long period, galvanic corrosion occurs, with one metal oxidizing more than normal, and the other material oxidizing less.Last edited by sgstandard; 02-25-2015, 08:56 PM.Comment
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What seems to be outline of Heer insigniaComment
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John. I don't see the same marks of a supposed previous Heer collar tabs on the opposite SS tab...Comment
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That photo you just posted seems to show pretty clear marks for the Heer tabs. I'm trying to upload an image, but am having troubles with the file.Comment
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I agree John.Originally posted by John Pic View Post
Definitely the outline of Heer litzen... although no trace of breast eagle?
Possible Polizei insignia conversion to Waffen SS, early 1942?Last edited by Max Wünsche; 02-26-2015, 01:30 AM.Comment
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One nice detailed picture of the right upper pocket will be great
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The rank tab and the collar itself look very puffy and not very well formed. It may be the lighting, but those last pictures make me wonder.
The SS rune tab is original, IMO. What does the underside of the collar look like? I think a good daylight close-up of the right breast pocket and info on shoulderboard tongue mothing on the right side would help with our analysis.
s/f RobertComment
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Originally posted by Max Wünsche View Post
I'm pretty sure if held under UV in a darkened room the breast eagle shadow would appear as it is a heer enlisted tunic and probably came with one factory sewn to it on day one.Comment
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I am awaiting more pics of collar tabs and breast pocket under daylight. I will update thread as soon as i get them.Comment
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I got new pics. I begin to have my doubts and it might be a WH modified uniform to increase its value. Look at the marks and holes that makes me think that there was a previous tab... It's true that hand inspection is the better way to know it but looking at the details i think i will back. You would say 100% it's WH tunic?Comment
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Tabs and collar
I realize closeups can create the wrong illusion, but the wool on both tabs looks very thick, loosely woven, and coarse. If these were SA tabs, I would think they're fake - period wool (badge cloth) is much finer. Did the SS use this thick, ugly wool for their tabs???Comment
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This thing is all over the place and the fake aging is crude. Who knows if the rank tab has even a buckram and so on ...Comment
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