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    Pair Standartenfuehrer tabs?

    All,
    This pair has been offered to me, but I am not sure about them. The embroidery is very tight and well done around the edges with apparent age, but the acorns seem strangely large. There are old yellowish glue remains of an RZM tag on the back The biggest problem I have is the piping, which is two strands and differs from the norm. What say ye all?
    Thanks,

    CB
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    Close up of leaves
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      #3
      The piping
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        #4
        original 1st version

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          #5
          Tabs

          Reproductions. Reverse construction, leaf construction and piping are all bad.

          Charles Betz

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            #6
            Originally posted by C. Betz View Post
            Reproductions. Reverse construction, leaf construction and piping are all bad.

            Charles Betz

            Yes I have to agree with Charles on this one ...
            Typical reproductions I'm afraid
            Regards
            David

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              #7
              70's fakes as Charles and David say. Look at the twisted wire piping and the excessive fold-over material ... both classic signs of this generation of fake.

              Ian

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                #8
                Not to mention totally wrong black material. It should be high quality velvet.

                Bob Hritz
                In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                  #9
                  Can someone please post
                  an original for comparision please?

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                    #10
                    I have reference material circa 1971
                    that classifies these said tabs as original?
                    Certain reputable collectors state that the
                    wire piping as shown was used early on.
                    I have also seen Generals tabs with excessive
                    fold over on the reverse.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by istra63 View Post
                      I have reference material circa 1971
                      that classifies these said tabs as original?
                      Certain reputable collectors state that the
                      wire piping as shown was used early on.
                      I have also seen Generals tabs with excessive
                      fold over on the reverse.
                      These should be on velvet as Bob say's .....

                      There is any number of poor 'reference' books out there ... some have the excuse of time, the more recent ones you really have to wonder.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by istra63 View Post
                        I have reference material circa 1971
                        that classifies these said tabs as original?
                        Certain reputable collectors state that the
                        wire piping as shown was used early on.
                        I have also seen Generals tabs with excessive
                        fold over on the reverse.

                        And what is this reference material ...
                        Can we see ... ?
                        Regards
                        David

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                          #13
                          Thank you Ian
                          In the book "Cloth Insignia of the SS"
                          by John R Angolia, page 42 has the said
                          tab from Christopher Ailsby collection.
                          It appears to have the wire type piping.
                          So if this tab is on velvet it is legit?
                          Considering the time (1929-1934) that
                          these were made is it not possible that
                          badge cloth or similar was used until
                          they settled on the use of velvet thereafter?

                          P.S. David the material is "Waffen SS"
                          by Martin Windrow copyright 1971
                          page 18.

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