Rare SS Meissen Plate identification requested

[90th Light]

This plate is part of the

Meissen "SS/ Tradition-Legend-Myth/ Saxon-Goth/ Volksdeutscher" series

Does anyone know exactly which one it is or does anyone else have one like it or others in the series ???

My understanding is that they are very rare and not many survived after May 1945.

This plate was put up on this thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=731477 by "Stengaard" and he was asking what one might be worth these days.

I said closer to Euro 1500 than Euro 300 but porcelain has been losing ground on price in the last 10 years.

Any help, advise or experience would be appreciated it has certainly captured my curiosity,

Chris

[J. Wraith]

Buy these in Europe for around 300.

[Ludwig]

I can´t be of any help here, but I must say it´s a really nice plate!

[90th Light]

Buy these in Europe for around 300.

While I agree that one could buy a basic Imperial German Saxon regimental like "IR 139" for around Euro 250 to 350. You would be very hard pressed to find any SS or NSDAP Meissen plate for that price.

Full sized Meissen Nazi party or SS plates are very, very hard to find. Especially one with a traditional Saxon theme from when they fought the Romans. We are going right back on this one to the meaning of the shape of the SA/ SS daggers when they expelled the Romans from the forest and broke out from enslavement.

Note the Pine tree & the strength through German family depicted. Keep in mind that the Pine tree was one of the ultimate symbols of their pagon gods to the Saxons. One could argue that this is where we get the Christmas Tree from today in Western culture, from the time when these tribes were converted to Christianity,

It is indeed a nice and interesting plate,

Chris

[90th Light]

Of course the sunwheel swastika could have a wider implication than just the Saxons. It could be from other Nordic connection with German history & culture. Thus the involvement and membership of certain Nordic countries in the SS,

Chris

[Thorsten B.]

This plate has been designed by Richard Hajesch who did other splendid jobs for Meissen as well.

Indeed it is a beautiful piece of art and depicts the pre-christian time from a period national socialistic point of view.

1500 would be a new record for one of these - but not impossible.

[90th Light]

This plate has been designed by Richard Hajesch who did other splendid jobs for Meissen as well.

Indeed it is a beautiful piece of art and depicts the pre-christian time from a period national socialistic point of view.

1500 would be a new record for one of these - but not impossible.

Thanks Thorsten,

I will now research that designer and appreciate learning this.

I agree that Euro 1500 would be a very high price but I could see one selling for around Euro 1000 give or take a bit,

Chris

[90th Light]

Here is another one that was discussed on this thread

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=244456

Chris

[Michael Fay]

any real proof of SS connection?

This plate is part of the

"...Meissen "SS/ Tradition-Legend-Myth/ Saxon-Goth/ Volksdeutscher" series ....

Does anyone know exactly which one it is or does anyone else have one like it or others in the series ??? "



Chris

Hello Chris, where specifically did you get info that there ever was a series of Meissen plates with "SS" in the actual title of the series?
I am wondering if that was merely wishful thinking/write-up without a shred of actual documentation.
If you can show I am mistaken that will be great .
Especially as I do not see anything in the images that is specifically SS at all. It is simply Volkisch -not SS,and many more on WAF will agree with me if they deign to share.
Again if I am wrong, I will be happy to learn I am.
Thanks,

[J. Wraith]

While I agree that one could buy a basic Imperial German Saxon regimental like "IR 139" for around Euro 250 to 350. You would be very hard pressed to find any SS or NSDAP Meissen plate for that price.

Full sized Meissen Nazi party or SS plates are very, very hard to find. Especially one with a traditional Saxon theme from when they fought the Romans. We are going right back on this one to the meaning of the shape of the SA/ SS daggers when they expelled the Romans from the forest and broke out from enslavement.

Note the Pine tree & the strength through German family depicted. Keep in mind that the Pine tree was one of the ultimate symbols of their pagon gods to the Saxons. One could argue that this is where we get the Christmas Tree from today in Western culture, from the time when these tribes were converted to Christianity,

It is indeed a nice and interesting plate,

Chris

I cannot say I disagree but the market tends to drive on aesthetics so if its SS with big runes and real you can see more money. These cultural pieces with nice scenes are pretty pieces but never really command any real premium as most do not know what they are and because the market does not allow for a heavy premium. Weitze sure does, but I see them come over the auction blocks on occasion and that is where I recall them to be. To be frank I did not know what it was until I read your post.

[Texasuberalles]

Here's one I've had for 40 years. Came from a fellow named Whittington who wrote 3 books on nazi pistols and holsters in the 70's. He got it during his tour of duty in Berlin.

Duppel is a Berlin suburb in the southeast. The white/black representation on the lance pennons are from the Prussian Hussars.

I assume the notation is from the first company of SS Reitter Standarte 7

[90th Light]

Hello Chris, where specifically did you get info that there ever was a series of Meissen plates with "SS" in the actual title of the series?
I am wondering if that was merely wishful thinking/write-up without a shred of actual documentation.
If you can show I am mistaken that will be great .
Especially as I do not see anything in the images that is specifically SS at all. It is simply Volkisch -not SS,and many more on WAF will agree with me if they deign to share.
Again if I am wrong, I will be happy to learn I am.
Thanks,

Hello Micheal,

it came from a very advanced Meissen collector who had a complete set of the 1938 & 1939 Meissen catalogues. The series is in the catalogues and the titles are listed but not all the plates are illustrated. Perhaps they were in the process of being issued

Of course today Meissen do not want to acknowledge or discuss any connection with the NSDAP or SS so it is hard to get exact information. All we have is what is left in collections or turns up on the market.

However, it appears that this series of plates was ordered at the time that Himmler brought into existence the Gahr brooch utilising the Hagal rune design. Seemingly good SS families were to decorate their homes with such kunst especially at times of official Nazi festivity.

As the war progressed from 1940 onwards, the SS took over the sunwheel swaz more and more as a symbol of their units with Norge connection. It is impossible to tell at this stage if the plate which started this thread is for example 1938 and thus Saxon/ Meissen tradition or 1943 and directed at membership of 5th, 6th, 11th SS Division etc,

Chris

[90th Light]

I cannot say I disagree but the market tends to drive on aesthetics so if its SS with big runes and real you can see more money. These cultural pieces with nice scenes are pretty pieces but never really command any real premium as most do not know what they are and because the market does not allow for a heavy premium. Weitze sure does, but I see them come over the auction blocks on occasion and that is where I recall them to be. To be frank I did not know what it was until I read your post.

Thanks, I agree with what you are saying.

However, the problem with auction results is that they are hit and miss. I have gone to some auctions and come away having paid far too much. While at other auctions they were giving it away.

The porcelain market certainly has weakened in the last ten years but Meissen plates do have more than one group of collectors chasing them and this is a rare Meissen plate to try and find in any collecting circle,

Chris

[J. Wraith]

Thanks, I agree with what you are saying.

However, the problem with auction results is that they are hit and miss. I have gone to some auctions and come away having paid far too much. While at other auctions they were giving it away.

The porcelain market certainly has weakened in the last ten years but Meissen plates do have more than one group of collectors chasing them and this is a rare Meissen plate to try and find in any collecting circle,

Chris

Chris, yes auction results can vary but you have some items that sell more than once and have a track record that makes it easier to gauge or lock into. The market is soft in most area's really and not much strength to be found with exception of some of the auction houses and upper end items. Meissen plates in the regimental series are much easier to track as they cross the block a lot, and those are definitely driven by aesthetics and perform poorly in many cases, same can be said for Rosenthal examples. The SS plate above would no doubt be an exception and the only real one I have seen and it would be safe to say it would carry a solid premium but how much I just do not know. How is your brooch marked? that's a nice piece.

[J. Wraith]

Here is another one that was discussed on this thread

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=244456

Chris

This appears to be Weihnachten or War Christmas.