Ss m 43 cap....oppinion

[sgstandard]

Patches

I agree - it looks much better at a distance. I didn't mean to rain on any parades. It's probably ok - just being cautious.

[viva_giulio]

sorry but based on these pictures i don't like it. Happy to fail.

my concerns are on thread, button holes, wool and the fresh sensation than other little things.

how is stiched the white bias? at U?

[90th Light]

sorry but based on these pictures i don't like it. Happy to fail.

my concerns are on thread, button holes, wool and the fresh sensation than other little things.

how is stiched the white bias? at U?

Hello viva_giulio,

German thread made before May 1945

German type of button holes seen on other caps made before May 1945

German wool made before May 1945

Other "fresh sensation caps" are know in collections which originated from a small unissued hoard left behind by the Germans found in Norway. However examples which are fresh and not so fresh have also come from else where in the 3rd Reich which had been used or not issued during the last years of WW2.

I do not understand what you are asking about the bias material

The buttons are German which I am told are made from horn. Anyway this type of button has been seen on other German caps made before May 1945

The one that started this thread appears to be the earlier type. There is a later type often classified on WAF as a "Dachau" where the cardboard on the underside of the bill is still exposed. However, there are differences when compared directly with what is known as the "Dachau Panzer" cap made from black "Nesselstoff". The example which started this thread does in fact have its own black panzer version in both the earlier and later type but they are a rare find,

Chris

[Dr. Strangelove]

M43

M43 Caps are tough, but I like this one!

[viva_giulio]

I'm open to change my opinion with other photos, from these i remain to my position: i've doubt and i hope to fail.
Anyway these kind of items need an hand inspection cause from pictures it is not simply to give a definitive opinions.

About white material inside the folded upper part of scallop i would know how it is stiched: as a "U" folding in 2 parts the white material with the bottom of "U" internal and the top (so you see 2 bias material) external?

Buttons, thread are not a problem of serious fakers.
I've managed some really top fakes.

The problem for fakers are to fail some point of sewing, and give to cap the sensation of an old sewing and an aged thread with proper discolorations.

[Panzergrenadiere71]

Not for me.

[90th Light]

I'm open to change my opinion with other photos, from these i remain to my position: i've doubt and i hope to fail.
Anyway these kind of items need an hand inspection cause from pictures it is not simply to give a definitive opinions.

About white material inside the folded upper part of scallop i would know how it is stiched: as a "U" folding in 2 parts the white material with the bottom of "U" internal and the top (so you see 2 bias material) external?

Buttons, thread are not a problem of serious fakers.
I've managed some really top fakes.

The problem for fakers are to fail some point of sewing, and give to cap the sensation of an old sewing and an aged thread with proper discolorations.

Thanks viva_giulio,

I now understand what you mean about the white bias material.

I saw my first example of this type of SS M43 over forty years ago. Long before the interenet and the current paranoid super-fake.

Computer image or not, a cap which has been used in battle and seen real wear & tear looks quite different from an unissued cap. Even one made by the same maker as this thread about tropical M40's shows;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=714178

Same maker but different "sensations in old sewing, aged thread and proper discolorations" Even the grommets and sweat band differ a bit although they are made by the same maker and most likely in the same factory.

Sometimes experience of what one sees and has handled along the way plays a part in what one knows to be good verses what could be fake today. I have seen this type of SS M43 from Norway before, unissued and left behind by the Germans in May 1945,

Chris

[Erik]

I like it.

Erik

[viva_giulio]

i like the dak m43.
about this one i still have the concerns but it's just my opinion. maybe with proper pictures and moreover in hand could be different.

[rzzzm]

Thanks to all of you for oppinion some New pic...the thread are Nice Cotton/rayon type..the white is fine under blacklight ...button is made from a type of "ersatz" matrial and painted... in hand the cap feels good all the best and regards

[rzzzm]

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[rzzzm]

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[brooksbz]

I like the summary in post 22. Sometimes we give the faker too much credit to make believable repros. A believable "ground up fake" is extremely hard to make. You can tell in person better the look and feel of things not seen in pictures (wear paterns,...). The bias material around the scallops is not requirement for originality. This cap looks ok based solely on the pictures because there are no obvious red flags. There is little wear and staining but that is not a discrimator.

[NickG]

Great cap

[viva_giulio]

I like the summary in post 22. Sometimes we give the faker too much credit to make believable repros. A believable "ground up fake" is extremely hard to make. You can tell in person better the look and feel of things not seen in pictures (wear paterns,...). The bias material around the scallops is not requirement for originality. This cap looks ok based solely on the pictures because there are no obvious red flags. There is little wear and staining but that is not a discrimator.

not but is a part who gives an opinion, moreover when is bad stiched, as some fakes i seen.