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    #46
    I can get close up images of any part of these two caps that any member would like to see in more detail. Just let me know what you want to see,

    Chris

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      #47
      Good post . You have finally answered the bias question in an "unbiased" manner.

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        #48
        common bias was sewn with the open part external not internal as in the picture. look my jpf better.
        it could be a mistake of course... sewing the biaa with the atronf paet folded outside has no senae cause it doean't reinforce the flap.
        this is the first time i see this kind of bias on a m43 this bias from my little phone seam more the wrap bias but less strong.
        please 90th show your bias reinforcemwnt

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          #49
          Originally posted by viva_giulio View Post
          common bias was sewn with the open part external not internal as in the picture. look my jpf better.
          it could be a mistake of course... sewing the biaa with the atronf paet folded outside has no senae cause it doean't reinforce the flap.
          this is the first time i see this kind of bias on a m43 this bias from my little phone seam more the wrap bias but less strong.
          please 90th show your bias reinforcemwnt
          Hello viva_giulio,

          The two caps "1945" & "1944" that I have shown in posts 42 to 45 have no bias material under the pull down flap at all as the images below show.

          I am wondering if this maker made caps in 1943 to early 44 with bias material and then some time in 1944 stopped doing it as they economised production or realised that they were not getting it right.

          The example that started this thread is the first one by this maker that I have ever seen with bias material in that part of the cap ,

          Chris
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          Last edited by 90th Light; 01-14-2014, 09:31 AM.

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            #50
            Once again great contribution and information from Chris. I concur that the trap and the whole fieldcap in question IMO is pre-WW2 manufactured.

            Rene Chavez
            www.foreignvolunteerlegion.com

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              #51
              Originally posted by viva_giulio View Post
              common bias was sewn with the open part external not internal as in the picture. look my jpf better.
              it could be a mistake of course... sewing the biaa with the atronf paet folded outside has no senae cause it doean't reinforce the flap.
              this is the first time i see this kind of bias on a m43 this bias from my little phone seam more the wrap bias but less strong.
              please 90th show your bias reinforcemwnt



              I know what you are saying but to help those who do not,here is a photo showing how it is usually applied if folded in half,the 2 open ends are visible.







              Glenn
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              "A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"

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                #52
                Thanks Glen

                I was getting a bit confused not having had these in hand before.

                Thanks

                P

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by viva_giulio View Post
                  common bias was sewn with the open part external not internal as in the picture. look my jpf better.
                  it could be a mistake of course... sewing the biaa with the atronf paet folded outside has no senae cause it doean't reinforce the flap.
                  this is the first time i see this kind of bias on a m43 this bias from my little phone seam more the wrap bias but less strong.
                  please 90th show your bias reinforcemwnt
                  Interesting, I only have two M43 caps, and I am confident in their authenticity more than in anything else in my collection - taking all correct construction details aside, they are just too old (almost fragile in hands), too salty and too smelly to be fake. And one of my M43 caps has the folded part of the bias material - inside and the second cap - outside. Also in both of caps "the bias" material is just the same as the lining material, it is not a "burlap" type material. Picture below is the cap with the fold outside.
                  BTW in respect of flaps reinforcement IMO it does not matter if the fold is inside or outside, it absolutely does not make any difference
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Honor View Post
                    Interesting, I only have two M43 caps, and I am confident in their authenticity more than in anything else in my collection - taking all correct construction details aside, they are just too old (almost fragile in hands), too salty and too smelly to be fake. And one of my M43 caps has the folded part of the bias material - inside and the second cap - outside. Also in both of caps "the bias" material is just the same as the lining material, it is not a "burlap" type material. Picture below is the cap with the fold outside.
                    BTW in respect of flaps reinforcement IMO it does not matter if the fold is inside or outside, it absolutely does not make any difference
                    are them SS?

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post
                      I know what you are saying but to help those who do not,here is a photo showing how it is usually applied if folded in half,the 2 open ends are visible.







                      Glenn
                      exactly sorry for poor language but writing on a ****ing samsung next is impossible!

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                        #56
                        one is Heer, the other one is SS but they are both "two-button-front" caps, why? did they make them differently for the SS and Heer.

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                          #57
                          No the only difference is the insignia!

                          Rene Chavez
                          www.foreignvolunteerlegion.com

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
                            Ok here are two different examples by this maker. These caps currently are sitting in advanced collections as 101% original with known history. I had the chance to have the two caps together one day so I took some side by side comparative photos.

                            On the viewers left is a cap made in 1945 made from Italian wool with no bias, no pull down tabs, dark green composite buttons and a trap with the eagle and skull done in cream-white thread embroidery.

                            On the viewers right is a cap made in 1944 made from German wool with no bias but does have pull down tabs, late war dark grey-green painted metal pebble buttons and a trap with the eagle and skull done in grey thread embroidery.

                            In the lower image the 1944 cap made from German wool is on top and the 1945 cap made from Italian wool is on the bottom,

                            Chris
                            How does the wool of the cap in question compare to the two you posted?
                            Willi

                            Preußens Gloria!

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post
                              I know what you are saying but to help those who do not,here is a photo showing how it is usually applied if folded in half,the 2 open ends are visible.
                              Glenn
                              Glenn, what is your take on the cap in question? Just curious......
                              Willi

                              Preußens Gloria!

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                                #60
                                The cap looks good to me.

                                M43's came with and without bias reinforcement and I've seen it done with all sorts of materials and sewn flat and folded.

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