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    Messerle named TK tunic

    Hello all,

    Came across this Totenkopf as it was being offered for sale and thought I would post about it for reference. Sold here in May 2011 for $6,900:

    http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/52/lid/1909

    Here is the auction description:

    Formed in 1937, the 3rd Totenkopfverbande "Thuringen" was one of the units folded together to form one of the first combat ready units of the Waffen-SS, the Totenkopf Division, and participated in the invasion of Poland, chiefly performing "security actions" behind the lines. Though technically separate from the Waffen-SS, the SS-TV units were seen by Himmler as a personal reserve force, leading to a great deal of intermingling and exchange between the groups. Coat is black wool with black inner lining, labeled "MASSCHNEIDEREI/ ANDR. STOCKL/ NURNBERG" near the collar, "Herr: F. MESSERLE/ Datum 15.11.1938. No.9" inside the right inner pocket and the RZM/ SS "ROCK SS" label, numbered "188" and "128113", inside the left pocket. Information is limited, but research does show a Friedrich Messerle as a member of "Thuringen" who later became part of "Totenkopf". The exterior of the coat bears the silver cord accent shoulder board on the right shoulder, bullion deaths head and 4-pip tabs on the right and left collars, which are trimmed in silver cord, early pattern swastika armband with red field, white cloth circle and black satin trim and swastika on the left sleeve, and the black cloth and silver bullion "Thuringen" wristband. Also included are a pair of black trousers with white trim and RZM label numbered "30/ 17728" and a black cap with satin band, white piping, metal eagle and deaths head badges, silver chinstrap, brown leather sweatband and white lining with "59/ Stirndruckfrei/ Deutsches Reichspatent" marked plastic diamond and "Stubaf. F. Messerle/ Oranienburg" tag.

    Obvious junk and want to post the details I got from the seller here.

    William Kramer
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      photos from the seller Kerry Land who says his Grandfather brought it back from the war. Yes, his American Grandfather liberated Sachsenhausen Oranienberg he states
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                #8
                Just the tailor tag alone screams fake! This should not fool any serious collector!
                Look at the TK tab and aweful RZM labels...Good lord! Are they stupid at that auction house?

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                  Born: 22/4/15 (Sulzbach, Saarland)
                  SS NO: 268,694 (not NSDAP)
                  Ustuf: 1/11/38
                  Stubaf: 21/6/44
                  1938: San.Abt. SS-TV und KL
                  Joined SS-Totenkopf-Artillerie-Regt. in March 1940
                  CO 10. /SS-Totenkopf-AR until 10/7/41
                  CO 12. /SS-Totenkopf-AR until 2/6/43
                  CO IV. /SS-Pz.AR 3 from 2/6/43 to ?

                  DKiG in 1944 as Kdr. IV./SS-Pz.Art.Rgt.3
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                    #10
                    The overall cut of the jacket looks off to me. Sure that was pretty obvious to everyone else here. What about the insignia itself? Is any of that good?

                    If I were to restore a black coat, this would make for a really good template in my opinion atleast.

                    *Edit* just took a good look at the insignia, it all looks bad.

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                      Wow, that whole ensemble really stinks!

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                          #13
                          Interesting the same tunic the one with the SA Sports badge is up for sale along with some other items on a Sacramento, Ca. Craigs list listing.
                          Regard's, Ed.
                          Ed. Anderson,Jr.
                          The film "Idiocracy" was originally released as a comedy. Now it has been re-released as a documentary.

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                            This crap is so blankly wrong IMO a thread dedicated to it isn't even warranted. If anyone is willing to part with 7k to purchase this then you honestly deserve what you get as you should've studied or at bare minimum, posted it here for review (like the O.P).
                            And no, the insignia isn't good, it's actually just as bad as the tunic itself.
                            Last edited by codytrcollector; 11-22-2013, 08:28 PM.

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                              #15
                              No black SS tunic ever had lower pockets like this.

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