Need to discuss this so called "NS/SS" wood Estand item

[Michael Fay]

Here you go:

First pic octagonal end of the piece.

Second pic octagonal SS Allach logo.

Well, I can tell you that is not described in Die Feier p.36 or anywhere else...Thus your description is very misleading/false

As an aside: you are are simply engaging in wishful thinking now with geometric shape comparisons--doing that leads eventually into insanity
UNLESS you could cite a TR era explanation to back you up...oh right, that will be the day

[Michael Fay]

Octagonal shape as design element on lid of a period clan chest made by ANRI.

This chest is not described in your original description of a Sales item.
Oh...are you now claiming your candle holder is made by this ..ANRI?
Well, that will need some evidence too...
oh...are we supposed to just take your word for it?
Sorry we did not get that memo.

[Thorsten B.]

Octagonal shape as design element on period wrought iron luminary - manufactured by SPINN Beleuchtungskörper Berlin.

Designer: Franz Haegele.

SPINN was the official manufacturer of NS/SS luminaria.

As one example all lamps in the Neue Reichskanzlei were made by SPINN.

[Thorsten B.]

And finally octagonal shape as design element on SS Dienstdolch M 36 (Picture credit: Steve T.).

Design: Karl Diebitsch.

Karl Diebitsch was THE chosen artist of RF-SS Heinrich Himmler and appointed as chief officer of the "Amt München".

[Michael Fay]

chasing octagons night

By Seller thorston's 'logic'
Then the SS cult of the Stop Sign also features prominently in your defense. I'm sure it has a relation to Die Feier p.36 as it mentions symbols.
It just has to be referring to Allach. After all Diebitsch and his schwester designed it (Karl Diebitsch was THE chosen artist of RF-SS Heinrich Himmler and appointed as chief officer of the "Amt München". )

By your logic anything that is a symbol must have been cited in Die Feier and prove your item for sale is authentic SS

[N.C. Wyeth]

Not good enough . . .

Michael,

Whether you like it or not - there is nothing wrong with my description.

I agree - there is NOTHING in Thorsten's description that says "this item IS from the SS" . . . nor even TR crafted, for that matter . . . only that it is made in similar style, with similar features, and is reminiscent of such.

It is a good thing that Mr. Fay wants to spend his time in quest of identifying misleading descriptions on E-Stand . . . but without offering a definitive argument that proves this specific item is truly not as described, I fail to see what the point of his antagoniistic inquisition is all about - outside of vendetive charachter assassination, possibly?

Since Thorsten's description does not specifically say this item was derived from SS manufacture . . . and as that was the root validation for Mr. Fay's complaint . . . what other reason would there be for continuing this argument?

[Michael Fay]

I agree - there is NOTHING in Thorsten's description that says "this item IS from the SS" . . . nor even TR crafted, for that matter . . . only that it is made in similar style, with similar features, and is reminiscent of such.

It is a good thing that Mr. Fay wants to spend his time in quest of identifying misleading descriptions on E-Stand . . . but without offering a definitive argument that proves this specific item is truly not as described, I fail to see what the point of his antagoniistic inquisition is all about - outside of vendetive charachter assassination, possibly?

Since Thorsten's description does not specifically say this item was derived from SS manufacture . . . and as that was the root validation for Mr. Fay's complaint . . . what other reason would there be for continuing this argument?

Perhaps you need to read post 1 :Seller Thorston's description that his item is described in the Die Feier p.36 could be why I dared to start this thread, As it is false, hence a misrepresentative description of the item.
As an aside, there is no mention of Allach octagons in it either.
But you dont care about the facts , do you?

[Hoss]

Micheal
Stop sign is American very dangerous commonly grows in the wild at road junctions resulting in the dreaded..on occasion.. four lane stop! maybe one day they will start growing the much safer 'Yield' or 'Give Way' signs used in the vast majority of other countries (seeds available via the UN I'm told) resulting in fewer motor accidents. Sign shown is recent (no bullet holes) there could be wreaths etc laying at the bottom of the post which may be plastic in case it gets walloped imo.

A suggestion Thorsten and yourself choose weapons at dawn and have done with it.

Regards
Eric

[Thorsten B.]

“Dear cultural collectors,

Here I offer an outstanding period wedding candleholder out of my collection for sale.
The piece itself represents - masterly carved - the Ingrune, due to the SS-booklet "Die Feier" (First issue, page 36; published via the SS-Hauptamt by RF-SS Heinrich Himmler) one of the three officially specified germanic runes representing the wedding ceremony and the tightness of love between the couple, between man and woman.

The octagonal shape of it´s ends reminds strongly of the SS Allach logo and is - among other elements - typical for period composition.

The piece itself is in great original and completely untouched condition - the wood bears a lovely patina which adds to the character and beautiness of this delightful cultural item.

Length is 28,5 cm - height is 14 cm.

Price including trackable DHL shipping is 155 Euros.

Payment via Paypal or IBAN bank transfer. “

Michael,

Here is my description for you again - and NOTHING what you claim is true!

[BrianK]

How many times is SS mentioned in the description?

[Thorsten B.]

Perhaps you need to read post 1 :Seller Thorston's description that his item is described in the Die Feier p.36 could be why I dared to start this thread, As it is false, hence a misrepresentative description of the item.

That´s totally wrong!

Where the heck do you get that from??

Please show me where I state that my item is described on page 36 in the "Die Feier".

Where??

[Michael Fay]

That´s totally wrong!

Where the heck do you get that from??

Please show me where I state that my item is described on page 36 in the "Die Feier".

Where??

Ohh so you just randomly cite SS book on ceremonies for no reason ?
Sorry. No.
You cited an SS book on Ceremonies as supposedly describing the item you are trying to sell in the sales thread.
You can ask me in as many different ways as you want. But the answer is always the same

[Michael Fay]

How many times is SS mentioned in the description?

SALES DESCRIPTION for BrianK

“Dear cultural collectors,

Here I offer an outstanding period wedding candleholder out of my collection for sale.
The piece itself represents - masterly carved - the Ingrune, due to the SS-booklet "Die Feier" (First issue, page 36; published via the SS-Hauptamt by RF-SS Heinrich Himmler) one of the three officially specified germanic runes representing the wedding ceremony and the tightness of love between the couple, between man and woman.

The octagonal shape of it´s ends reminds strongly of the SS Allach logo and is - among other elements - typical for period composition.

The piece itself is in great original and completely untouched condition - the wood bears a lovely patina which adds to the character and beautiness of this delightful cultural item.

Length is 28,5 cm - height is 14 cm.

Price including trackable DHL shipping is 155 Euros.

Payment via Paypal or IBAN bank transfer. “

So BrianK, When Seller claims

..."The piece itself represents - masterly carved - the Ingrune, due to the SS-booklet "Die Feier" (First issue, page 36; published via the SS-Hauptamt by RF-SS Heinrich Himmler) one of the three officially specified germanic runes representing the wedding ceremony and the tightness of love between the couple, between man and woman"...

The Seller is implying this "Piece" , is referenced to by the SS.
Similarily, when seller goes on about Allach shapes...

The octagonal shape of it´s ends reminds strongly of the SS Allach logo and is - among other elements - typical for period composition.

well what on earth do you think the seller means other than SS connection?

[jabnus]

I agree - there is NOTHING in Thorsten's description that says "this item IS from the SS" . . . nor even TR crafted, for that matter . . . only that it is made in similar style, with similar features, and is reminiscent of such.

the title had in capitals SS in it???

[Ian Hulley]

Why not just let Herr Beine sell his wooden and wrought iron products on the understanding that there is no connection to the SS either implied or actually written AND that as they are of an indefinable period of manufacture they cannot be guaranteed IIIrd Reich period so they are only sold in the Bazaar.

Surely that should please everyone ?

Ian