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    #46
    ...some people do not consider the option:

    i don't write if i want explain nothing.


    And moreover be serious nobody will say nothing if the item it's an obvious fake easily spottable in search functions

    the problem born in other situations, and you know it very well.

    i don't like fake-virgins and who turn around the point.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Michael Fay View Post
      I have found that sometimes "Silence" means two possible scenarios:

      A; no one wants to make enemies with the member who is showing somthing with problems because this same member is also a dealer who sells them nice things.

      B; no one wants to get attacked by a seemingly raving mad member who will make you appear sullied by the ensuing egomaniacal "discussion/mud-slinging,"simply by one daring to bring up concerns.

      These two scenarios are very applicable to the issues that started this thread.
      exactly.

      I add also

      c: if a member, as me, gave him opinion and asked 10+ times "why it's a fake" who wrotes fake must reply or don't write more at all.
      moreover can't write off-topic bull**** just.

      These are the problems and in this way, imo, administrator write this post.
      If you are intelligent you must understand it, if you want spend time with keyboard... continue to write.

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        #48
        Esotericism

        end of discussion ?

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          #49
          don't know? maybe?!...

          my sister in law is cooking horrible food, reading WAF is the only thing sparing me the sight of that kitchen massacre...

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            #50
            But the bottom line is this .


            Good .............and Bad .

            which side of the team do you choose ?


            owen

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              #51
              Well anyhow,a few of you guys shouldnt be giving any spelling advice thats for sure! Goeroes?{gurus} Possative? and my favorite...book "wrighters" haha

              Anyhow new guys should use the search engine on elementary stuff like EM eagles,skulls,rautes,etc etc.But some things are really on the fence and require some further discussion/opinion ,thats when it gets a little hairy.SS items are the $$$ items.So like Ive said before,if you don't actually know if your right or confident enough to give a solid opinion,then DON'T!!! THAT is the time to keep quiet!

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                #52
                Originally posted by besslein View Post
                i remember that times,well few times i have to travel a long way to meet another collector that know the items better as me ,now its easy,just put photos on forum and wait what the guys say abaut,realy easy....today for new collectors.
                agree totaly !
                Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
                - Looking for : SS TK «Oberbayern» flatwire CT.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen View Post
                  To all:

                  i'm a collector for more than 40years. Started in a time books were limited and no internet. Our knowledege was build up by handling, comparing an discus the items among other collectors.
                  We walked in a mine field and lost a lot of toes.
                  Today people start to collect and when on "the forums" they expect the can gathter these 40 years of experience by "clicking" five times on their desktop.

                  The "ONLY" reason these old "goeroes", these "ego's" or whatever we are called are not putting all our information on the net is to prevent the fakers to make the "perfect" copy.
                  If you look at the modern fakes of medals and badges, it's scarying how close they are, yust because ALL the info is available.

                  Do you realy think we will not help fellow collectors to prevent them from mistakes. Of course we would, but not by spreading it all over the net.

                  I would have been very lucky 40 years ago when I would have had the possibility to put an item on a forum for evaluation befor I bought it.
                  Even when the reaction was only ,,,,...I would at least know there was some controversy on the item I wanted to buy. and if I realy wanted to get deeper I would have found out WHY.

                  Today it comes to one point " PROOF IT" or shut up....and if you do not share all your info you are an asshole.

                  For myself I can say, I help were I can but certainly not by revealing importand info on the net.

                  For everyone else ...do your homework...like we did.

                  And now you may shoot me

                  Pieter.

                  What can I say more than :
                  Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
                  - Looking for : SS TK «Oberbayern» flatwire CT.

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                    #54
                    i've done 4 times 1200 km to meet Francesco and i done dozen times 1000 or more km to meet other at home or events.... but this not the reason i'll refuse to give explanation, if asked, when i'll write sorry not good.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Pascal Bernhard View Post
                      What can I say more than :

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen View Post
                        To all:

                        i'm a collector for more than 40years. Started in a time books were limited and no internet. Our knowledege was build up by handling, comparing an discus the items among other collectors.
                        We walked in a mine field and lost a lot of toes.
                        Today people start to collect and when on "the forums" they expect the can gathter these 40 years of experience by "clicking" five times on their desktop.

                        The "ONLY" reason these old "goeroes", these "ego's" or whatever we are called are not putting all our information on the net is to prevent the fakers to make the "perfect" copy.
                        If you look at the modern fakes of medals and badges, it's scarying how close they are, yust because ALL the info is available.

                        Do you realy think we will not help fellow collectors to prevent them from mistakes. Of course we would, but not by spreading it all over the net.

                        I would have been very lucky 40 years ago when I would have had the possibility to put an item on a forum for evaluation befor I bought it.
                        Even when the reaction was only ,,,,...I would at least know there was some controversy on the item I wanted to buy. and if I realy wanted to get deeper I would have found out WHY.

                        Today it comes to one point " PROOF IT" or shut up....and if you do not share all your info you are an asshole.

                        For myself I can say, I help were I can but certainly not by revealing importand info on the net.

                        For everyone else ...do your homework...like we did.

                        And now you may shoot me

                        Pieter.
                        Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                        I totally agree, people now are spoiled.

                        Back in the Day you had to take pictures of your items and mail them to each other !!!! Crazy.

                        No Books, No Internet

                        Dinosaurs are long time dead. Sorry.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Ohlau View Post
                          Dinosaurs are long time dead. Sorry.

                          So is pope pope johannes paulus II....
                          Pieter.
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                            #58
                            This thread brought out all most 2,000 veiws and 57 comments is about 1 day. There where no personal attacks and no insults even though not every one agreed with each othere. This is what a good discussion should look like on here. Thank you every one for your comments no matter what your opion was on the issues. Thank you.

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                              #59
                              Agree

                              Originally posted by David Guist View Post
                              I am not know for being gracefull . So here goes. I am tired of comeing on here and cleaning up the same pissing matches over and over. This is why we are haveing a low post count . New members come on here and wont even show there items or comment any more.

                              If you know an item is a fake / repo . Fine state it and why.
                              If you know an item is real / good. Fine state why.

                              Check your attitudes and egos in at the door !

                              It only takes one comment like I dont like it or its fake with no reason why to kill a high dollar item.

                              Personal insults read the rules.

                              Come on guys let make this a place every one can feel free to post on with out being made fun of and so on. Best regards.

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                                #60
                                Only "No"

                                Second thread...

                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hland+grouping


                                Let's help each other and explain "why".


                                Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen View Post
                                To all:

                                i'm a collector for more than 40years. Started in a time books were limited and no internet. Our knowledege was build up by handling, comparing an discus the items among other collectors.
                                We walked in a mine field and lost a lot of toes.
                                Today people start to collect and when on "the forums" they expect the can gathter these 40 years of experience by "clicking" five times on their desktop.

                                The "ONLY" reason these old "goeroes", these "ego's" or whatever we are called are not putting all our information on the net is to prevent the fakers to make the "perfect" copy.
                                If you look at the modern fakes of medals and badges, it's scarying how close they are, yust because ALL the info is available.

                                Do you realy think we will not help fellow collectors to prevent them from mistakes. Of course we would, but not by spreading it all over the net.

                                I would have been very lucky 40 years ago when I would have had the possibility to put an item on a forum for evaluation befor I bought it.
                                Even when the reaction was only ,,,,...I would at least know there was some controversy on the item I wanted to buy. and if I realy wanted to get deeper I would have found out WHY.

                                Today it comes to one point " PROOF IT" or shut up....and if you do not share all your info you are an asshole.

                                For myself I can say, I help were I can but certainly not by revealing importand info on the net.

                                For everyone else ...do your homework...like we did.

                                And now you may shoot me

                                Pieter.

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