M36 SS tunic on Estand

[wolfslair]

Any opinions on the M36 SS tunic on estand
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=601260
Is the tunic original pre 1945 HEER cut tunic converted to SS?

Wolfslair

[madandi]

It´s a nice tunic, but it sells as restored. And thats my opinion too.
I think that i can see the former sewing lins of the army-collartabs.

[Ian Hulley]

It has a VERY fine sleeve eagle and runic tab .... and in my opinion given the utter lunacy of the pricing of most tunics similar to this it's priced in the region of an honest stripped Heer tunic (I could be persuaded that I see the ghost of litzen behind the rank tab) and those original SS insignia.

As I said JUST my honest opinion.

Ian

[Milan Gard]

restored tunic for very fair price

[Max Wünsche]

Heer restored as SS.

The darker colour where the litzen were is obvious.

[John Pic]

A former heer tunic with SS insignias...unfortunately they used a precious rare early eagle. But the tunic and insignias for once is priced accordingly.

[NickG]

Yeah a WH conversion (hence the price) as you can see where the heer collar litzen were at one time and also where the wider shoulderboard loops were at one time, replaced with narrower ones to fit the SS traps better...Its a bunch of valuable parts at this point as you can't prove when the conversion was done....too bad!
(does not have the "2 step" SS M36/M40 liner either...)

[Hofstetter]

Just my opinion , but i don't think they have such small ss guys in 1940,
tunic is for quite a short guy

[Rob83]

Just my opinion , but i don't think they have such small ss guys in 1940,
tunic is for quite a short guy

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=tall+join+ss

I remember seeing this thread a while back.

[SSamir]

Interesting thread. When you guys say "restored" do u mean post war restored by a collector? Excuse my ignorance, gents, i'm new to insignias and was wondering if its the norm to restore heer tunics with SS insignia.

[John Pic]

Its not the "norm" but it happens quite often. People who want an SS tunic should just restore an SS tunic or buy an untouched one. But I have encountered many heer tunics made up to be SS tunics and am aware of heer tunics used by collectors and turned into SS. I bought what I was told was a stripped SS tunic from one guy an when it arrived it clearly was a stripped heer tunic that someone had also put SS insignias on and stripped off...many strippings...If this tunic had been a wartime SS used tunic..you would not see the shadows so easily and also the pricing would be a lot higher.

[SSamir]

Its not the "norm" but it happens quite often. People who want an SS tunic should just restore an SS tunic or buy an untouched one. But I have encountered many heer tunics made up to be SS tunics and am aware of heer tunics used by collectors and turned into SS. I bought what I was told was a stripped SS tunic from one guy an when it arrived it clearly was a stripped heer tunic that someone had also put SS insignias on and stripped off...many strippings...If this tunic had been a wartime SS used tunic..you would not see the shadows so easily and also the pricing would be a lot higher.

I would like to buy an SS tunic someday and worst case scenario an original stripped down SS would be fine, but the thought of SS insignia on a heer just doesn't really do it for me, thanks for the knowledge, John.

Samir

[NickG]

Here's mine (stripped-restored original Waffen SS)!
I am sure many will remember this (lengthy) thread!
Got lucky on estand!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=bargain

[A c h t u n g !]

Interesting thread. When you guys say "restored" do u mean post war restored by a collector? Excuse my ignorance, gents, i'm new to insignias and was wondering if its the norm to restore heer tunics with SS insignia.

I would not even call it "restored" because

restoration [ˌrɛstəˈreɪʃən]
n
1. the act of restoring or state of being restored, as to a former or original condition, place, etc.
2. Something, such as a renovated building, that has been restored.

This tunic is not in its "former or original condition" right now because originally it was Army tunic and it would be correct to restore it to Army tunic. It is more now a "put-together", "fantasy" piece that is not even close to what it has been originally.
Of course, all "restored" tunics are "fantasy" to some degree as it is often unknown exactly what rank, branch, regiment they were originally but at least they are correct in the main factor: former LW is LW now, SS is SS, Heer is Heer, KM is KM, etc
Unfortunately, there are very many (too many!) "SS-badged" Heer tunics around, especially officers because the underneath of the collars on officers tunics are often made of wool (not HBT) that hides any traces of previously applied insignia very well. Your only hint with these tunics in determining its original state would be the wear and discoloration that show ghosts of period insignia. But mintier tunics are, the harder to see it and more chances it is Heer-to-SS conversation.

P.S. If you want to be confident that your SS uniform was always SS buy camo, or in "SS-only-cut" style uniforms.

[HERMSDORF]

It´s really a nice Tunic but In this Case I totally agree with A c h t u n g !

Andy