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Well let's see, 1 person has had serious input, Mr. Singer, thank you. Well If there are no further objections,.... off to e stand as originals. Thanks all.

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I was not going to coment because I really do not know one way or the other about the originality of this wrap, but maybe in the interest of getting some other input on this I will make a few observations.

Too me this looks a lot like a group of wraps that I first saw in the early to mid 1980s....at least in some fine details...but not all details. I always felt that the ones that I saw in the 80s were repro....but maybe I was wrong. Here are the points:
1. The metal buttons are always very rusted front and back...BUT the thread shows no bleeding from the rust nor does the fabric under the buttons.....also the collar hook and eye (also steel) are not rusted...so the jacket was not stored in humid conditions, but the the buttons were very rusted before being sewn on.....makes no sense.
2. The large composition buttons are slightly scored or scratched all over...as if they were tumbled or something to age them.
3. The shoulder seams are over-lapped backwards to all other German uniform items that I have seen.....maybe a fluke, but it is strange.
4. The thread that these 80s wraps were constructed with seemed lighter weight and different in color and spin than any thread that I had seen on a German uniform item...of hbt or other material.

There are maybe 4-6 other details that bother me, but I can not say that any of them including the points above mean that they are fake.

This wrap seems to me to show most all of those characteristics. I can not say that it is one of the 80s wraps.....but it looks very close.

[B. N. Singer]

I was not going to coment because I really do not know one way or the other about the originality of this wrap...Too me this looks a lot like a group of wraps that I first saw in the early to mid 1980s....

I too am not convinced about this example.

However, the example that I am familiar with from the circa 80’s period (same time frame as the “pink smocks) I believe were not made from original material.

But perhaps I am talking about a different type of example that showed up at that period.

B. N. Singer

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Well let's see, 1 person has had serious input, Mr. Singer, thank you.

My input was serious ... or do you only count those which suit you ?

There is a dot colour which I do no associate with originals. It was the same blue/green on the laptop at home last night so it's not a monitor issue.

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Thank you all for your comments. Mr. Hulley I meant no disrespect, and I know your input was serious, I was trying to provoke responses, not trying to insult, that being said it would appear that the flash used on the camera is causing a tone problem. Maybe natural light?
The other points, the shoulders do not overlap backwards they are the same as my non cammo HBT's, The buttons are not,(they are horn buttons and composite type), scored from washing, they are dull and mat colored, and the thread size I'm no expert in, but it is cotton if that helps.
I know it is difficult to say 100% on way or another without them 'in hand'. This does make for an education, and discussion. I'll see if I can get a photo in natural lite, if that may help or not. Thanks all. Dave.

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As "Devil is in the details" I would do the "burn" test on all threads used in the wrap construction (cut short samples from loosen ends). Also can you post an extreme close-up picture of the thread used on buttons, not from top, but between a button and the wrap body.

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My input was serious ... There is a dot colour which I do no associate with originals....so it's not a monitor issue.

Ian

I am far from an “expert” on SS camouflage material (let-a-lone anything else); however the material that this example is made from does not appear (to me) to be the same/similar as the circa 80’s reproductions that I am familiar with.

Perhaps those who are better versed in SS camo cloth can comment more intelligently than I if the material in this wraparound .is Original

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As requested, Buttons, neck hooks, and thread size.

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