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    A WH tunic in Panzer, however has SS markings and removed sleeve eagle

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    pics

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      #3
      SS markings

      SS markings
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        #4
        stop,fake stamps on wh tunic

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          #5
          what makes the stamps fake

          what makes the stamps fake, also note there is a removed Sleeve eagle marks. Discussion is better than a one liner

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            #6
            This is one of those fake French HBT jobs isn't it? with pronounced HBT weave on the inside...???
            SS stamp does not belong in these and early insignia on late coat... not impossible...
            but the stamp is a big
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              tunic

              tunic is matched with other HBT tunics I have, so have no problem with tunic originality, just the SS-BW stamp, no HBT is not absolute standout. have you got a picture of the type of tunic your talking about. I have no doubt panzer insignia has been added at some stage, more than likely post war by a collector. any comments about the SS sleeve eagle ghosting

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                #8
                I am with Nick on this one ....

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                  #9
                  The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.

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                    #10
                    The stamp is a red fag as others commented

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Naval Enigma View Post
                      The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.
                      True!!
                      the tunic itself is original , at one point badly ss customized, and later reapplied
                      again with heer insignas...
                      Definitively not a "French production", and about the weave inside/ outside similar = fake, it's time to stop this urban legend....

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by alexandre View Post
                        True!!
                        the tunic itself is original , at one point badly ss customized, and later reapplied
                        again with heer insignas...
                        Definitively not a "French production", and about the weave inside/ outside similar = fake, it's time to stop this urban legend....


                        If the inside has the same HBT pattern as the outside it is a fake. Lets see close up photo's of the inside. You can only see a small portion of the inside past where the outside material is folded over showing the fake stamp , it appears from that photo that the inside has the same HBT pattern as the outside. This is why Nick (and I ) think the tunic is fake.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Naval Enigma View Post
                          The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.
                          Exactly. Someone had tried to beef up this bad boy in hopes of making a quick buck. Seems someone along the line tried to restore the tunic to its former glory.

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                            #14
                            Once again, IMO,he tunic is original...perfect marking , material, color, button holes, known
                            tropical scrap lining etc...

                            You have to analize a tunic with differents characteristics added...
                            I know some tunic in mint condition with weave almost similar outside/ inside
                            and I can assure you those ones are perfectly guenine.

                            This subject has been debated in the past and some knowledgeable collectors
                            agree with this fact

                            Unfortunatly, the french production is known for this detail, but not only,
                            the color is incorrect, cloth texture, odd bright appearance and typical ink blurry black marking+ lack of stitching details

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by alexandre View Post
                              Once again, IMO,he tunic is original...perfect marking , material, color, button holes, known
                              tropical scrap lining etc...

                              You have to analize a tunic with differents characteristics added...
                              I know some tunic in mint condition with weave almost similar outside/ inside
                              and I can assure you those ones are perfectly guenine.

                              This subject has been debated in the past and some knowledgeable collectors
                              agree with this fact

                              Unfortunatly, the french production is known for this detail, but not only,
                              the color is incorrect, cloth texture, odd bright appearance and typical ink blurry black marking+ lack of stitching details


                              You are ignoring the fact that all real HBT tunics only have the HBT pattern on the outside material not the inside!.... Until we see a good photo of the interior we will not know.


                              Here is a real example showing the fold over of the outside material HBT pattern compared to the inside pattern of the HBT material..




                              Last edited by dhunter93; 12-23-2011, 02:25 PM.

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