Tunic for discussion

[alda]

A WH tunic in Panzer, however has SS markings and removed sleeve eagle

[alda]

pics

pics

[alda]

SS markings

SS markings

[besslein]

stop,fake stamps on wh tunic

[alda]

what makes the stamps fake

what makes the stamps fake, also note there is a removed Sleeve eagle marks. Discussion is better than a one liner

[NickG]

This is one of those fake French HBT jobs isn't it? with pronounced HBT weave on the inside...???
SS stamp does not belong in these and early insignia on late coat... not impossible...
but the stamp is a big

[alda]

tunic

tunic is matched with other HBT tunics I have, so have no problem with tunic originality, just the SS-BW stamp, no HBT is not absolute standout. have you got a picture of the type of tunic your talking about. I have no doubt panzer insignia has been added at some stage, more than likely post war by a collector. any comments about the SS sleeve eagle ghosting

[dhunter93]

I am with Nick on this one ....

[Naval Enigma]

The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.

[Obergruppen2]

The stamp is a red fag as others commented

[alexandre]

The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.

True!!
the tunic itself is original , at one point badly ss customized, and later reapplied
again with heer insignas...
Definitively not a "French production", and about the weave inside/ outside similar = fake, it's time to stop this urban legend....

[dhunter93]

True!!
the tunic itself is original , at one point badly ss customized, and later reapplied
again with heer insignas...
Definitively not a "French production", and about the weave inside/ outside similar = fake, it's time to stop this urban legend....

If the inside has the same HBT pattern as the outside it is a fake. Lets see close up photo's of the inside. You can only see a small portion of the inside past where the outside material is folded over showing the fake stamp , it appears from that photo that the inside has the same HBT pattern as the outside. This is why Nick (and I ) think the tunic is fake.

[Kengir]

The bad stamp and a sleeve eagle were added at some point to fool a collector.

Exactly. Someone had tried to beef up this bad boy in hopes of making a quick buck. Seems someone along the line tried to restore the tunic to its former glory.

[alexandre]

Once again, IMO,he tunic is original...perfect marking , material, color, button holes, known
tropical scrap lining etc...

You have to analize a tunic with differents characteristics added...
I know some tunic in mint condition with weave almost similar outside/ inside
and I can assure you those ones are perfectly guenine.

This subject has been debated in the past and some knowledgeable collectors
agree with this fact

Unfortunatly, the french production is known for this detail, but not only,
the color is incorrect, cloth texture, odd bright appearance and typical ink blurry black marking+ lack of stitching details

[dhunter93]

Once again, IMO,he tunic is original...perfect marking , material, color, button holes, known
tropical scrap lining etc...

You have to analize a tunic with differents characteristics added...
I know some tunic in mint condition with weave almost similar outside/ inside
and I can assure you those ones are perfectly guenine.

This subject has been debated in the past and some knowledgeable collectors
agree with this fact

Unfortunatly, the french production is known for this detail, but not only,
the color is incorrect, cloth texture, odd bright appearance and typical ink blurry black marking+ lack of stitching details

You are ignoring the fact that all real HBT tunics only have the HBT pattern on the outside material not the inside!.... Until we see a good photo of the interior we will not know.


Here is a real example showing the fold over of the outside material HBT pattern compared to the inside pattern of the HBT material..