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    #16
    I had someone send me an email thanking me for being amongst the number of people who, if I can remember the phrasing properly, "didn't try to make Nordic heroes out of mass murderers", or words to that effect. Sorry Charles, I thought it was a PM or I would have answered you directly before deleting it from my email
    Not for certain member's edification will I say that I collect Third Reich militaria as a further means of studying the war & it's participants. I have read and will continue to read all well written books concerning the history of WW2 and that will include memoirs and well researched documentation. I believe that I can collect SS or Luftwaffe or Heer or Kriegsmarine without kneeling at the altar of Fascism. I feel that I can be interested in the aspects of the Third Reich without condoning what members of the SS or Gestapo or Police Battalions did.
    George Santayana is known for his (often-misquoted) comments: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to fulfill it and only the dead have seen the end of war." I remember. I read about it and I repeat it so that others will remember it too. The Jews of Israel remember it too and they know the details too. Shall we say that they enjoy reading & studying about & support Nazism or Fascism because they know of it???!!
    As far as certain members go, trying to say that people that were wholesale murderers had a sunny side to their disposition & we should remember them in a kindlier fashion, I will remind you that there are pictures of Adolf Hitler patting children on the head and accepting flowers from them. Should we rehabilitate him much as Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran would like us to??
    Oh yes, Mr. Hitler (because according to some people, we must show respect to the kindly leaders of the Third Reich) was also kind to dogs.....until he killed his own dog to test out his capsule of poison....because he was afraid to face the judgement and the eyes of the world. He took the coward's way out, because he was nothing but a coward & once again we have an example of someone who got off much too easily. Even if he had been captured and tried, he still would have been given a humane execution and would not have been tortured to death over as long a period of time as his slaves were, in the prisons of the Gestapo and the concentration camps of his SS. Because the majority of the world believes in humanity and civilization.
    I will not respond any further to anything from anyone other then concerning the possibility of understanding the setup of the administrative branches of certain parts of certain organizations.

    T.P. Alexander
    (My true name)
    Last edited by TP Alexander; 10-17-2011, 04:23 PM. Reason: punctuation

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      #17
      [QUOTE=TP Alexander;4908626]OK guys, someone has probably already seen this image of 3 officers from Auschwitz Concentration Camp.
      Pictured are Karl Hoecker (right) with Richard Baer and Rudolf Hoess.
      These images are from a NEW YORKER Article.
      Here is the link for anyone that wants to look at it.

      http://www.newyorker.com/online/2008...?xrail#slide=1

      Now, these guys are not Waffen SS, they are Totenkopfverbande, correct?? Or are they HSSPF or RSHA? I get a little confused about unit responsibilities as they changed over the course of the years during the war. Just read a book called EYEWITNESS AUSCHWITZ by Filip Muller and I was looking for pictures of a Hauptscharfuhrer Moll & I came across this link.



      These two books will help:

      The Black Corps: The Structure and Power Struggle of the Nazi SS by Robert Lewis Koehl

      Anatomy of the SS State by Hans Buchheim, Martin Broszat, Hans-Adolf Jacobsen, Elizabeth Helmut Krausnick

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        #18
        Heroes

        There is no need to be defensive. You're among friends here. No one at the forum will criticize you for your admiration of these officer's awards and accomplishments .

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          #19
          Originally posted by Ilse View Post

          These two books will help:

          The Black Corps: The Structure and Power Struggle of the Nazi SS by Robert Lewis Koehl

          Anatomy of the SS State by Hans Buchheim, Martin Broszat, Hans-Adolf Jacobsen, Elizabeth Helmut Krausnick
          Thank you, Ilse.

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            #20
            Originally posted by sgstandard View Post
            There is no need to be defensive. You're among friends here. No one at the forum will criticize you for your admiration of these officer's awards and accomplishments .
            lol, i like it !

            The Black Corps: The Structure and Power Struggle of the Nazi SS by Robert Lewis Koehl, i have a copy for sale
            Last edited by Totenhead; 10-17-2011, 07:18 PM.

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              #21
              Originally posted by sgstandard View Post
              I was aware that John Wayne Gacy often performed as a at children's events, but I've studied WWII for many years, and didn't know that SS officers did that. It's nice to know that the officers took time to entertain children. It proves that even bad people have a good side. I also didn't know that death by hanging could be called "getting off easy", but then, to each his own. If you had said, "He was a murdering-son-of-a-bitch who often performed as a jester at children's parties, bring a small moment of happiness and joy to frightened children at a dreadful time", then people wouldn't think you're a hater.
              The more I read these comments, the more I am intrigued by the mentally of my fellow members/collectors..... Any comments?

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                #22
                Mental Health & Collecting

                My mentality is just fine, but I appreciate your asking. If you carefully read the entire thread, you should be able to comprehend what I was doing. My post you were referring to was sarcastic, and meant to MOCK the response I knew we would get. And the response WAS the same condescending lecture we always get on the forum from time to time, from the annoying (but lovable) preachers who feel the need to gain some kind of higher moral ground by scolding members who dare say the wrong thing. And although I'm sure they mean well, scolding is best left up to the wives and old ladies, who are the REAL experts at it . I'm just saying what many are thinking. Neither myself or anyone I know would, in reality, admire a callous murderer, though it's perfectly logical to find such a person interesting. So I was just needling the guy on that. In retrospect, I was completely on-board when he initially asked about the badges, but he lost me with the "murdering-son-of-a-bitch" comment. I mean.........after all..................you're talking about his MOTHER !!

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                  #23
                  I know what you are saying, i agree, I think the member is quite easily " needled" as you say, in fact i have myself "needled " him somewhat and have had a confusing reaction from him !!!

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                    #24
                    Confession

                    "Hello. My name is SG Standard, and I'm a needler" .

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                      #25
                      " Hello, my name is Totenhead, and i am an Alcoholic "

                      ooops, wrong forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        #26
                        Wrong Forum

                        Some forums overlap - you're ok .

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