Dot44 smock on Herr Weitze's site...

[Gran Sasso]

Not speaking about jump smocks but in general such combinations are 100% ok. Especially as the war progressed more and more got mixed up. I trust you know that yourself but just to make that clear.

The material is ok, largest parts are "earlier" material, the pistol flap somewhat later but by far not the latest.

The pistol flap is replaced:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...p+smock&page=2

[Fritz]

The pistol flap is replaced:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...p+smock&page=2

Surprise surpise...

You should have rembered it!! The trhead was not so long ago it seems and not so many are around, you are getting old, Patrick!

[Gran Sasso]

Surprise surpise...

You should have rembered it!! The trhead was not so long ago it seems and not so many are around, you are getting old, Patrick!

YOU could have remembered it, too....

I knew that one was sold to a german dealer, who told me he will keep it for a loooooong time - to thats why I did not made the connection. Just now I checked how many are around this year, so...

[David Fettes]

The words Weitze, cookie jar and hand spring to mind.

[Gran Sasso]

That name is known to me of course, just not the book, I try to avoid 80s books, as you know only a few books are really good on that topic. But then again, maybe the book is very good.

Yes, they made reprints of camo patterns in the 80s already, if dot I can't tell, oak, plane tree and so on they made in the 80s.

However, I remember fake/repro dot stuff to be on the market since very long.

From that bad picture it looks like a janke print to me, what I don't like on the cover is the fully visible clip on the autumn side (which is not impossible but somewhat "unusual").

Cheers

Yes, Borsarello has made a good "book" about camo (its actually 3 nice ones, but very thin, so no real book), and he knew what he did. However I have to share your concerns ref. the tunic, but its also stated (not visible at the scan) belonging to a french collection, so it was not his, and I doubt he has seen it in person.

[Max Wünsche]

Since the subject of books has been brought up, what is the best and most up-to-date reference out there at the moment...

Ive shortlisted about 10 books on Amazon and from other recommendations it seems the - Uniforms of the Waffen SS Vol. 1-3 by Michael D. Beaver are good?

What about - Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS: A Photographic Reference (Schiffer Military / Aviation History) Michael D. Beaver?

Any good recommendations so that I dont go for outdated or incorrect books?

Yes, Borsarello has made a good "book" about camo (its actually 3 nice ones, but very thin, so no real book), and he knew what he did. However I have to share your concerns ref. the tunic, but its also stated (not visible at the scan) belonging to a french collection, so it was not his, and I doubt he has seen it in person.

[bnz. 42]

Since the subject of books has been brought up, what is the best and most up-to-date reference out there at the moment...

Ive shortlisted about 10 books on Amazon and from other recommendations it seems the - Uniforms of the Waffen SS Vol. 1-3 by Michael D. Beaver are good?

What about - Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS: A Photographic Reference (Schiffer Military / Aviation History) Michael D. Beaver?

Any good recommendations so that I dont go for outdated or incorrect books?

These are best so far

[Robert H]

Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS

Always take care always take care even some of the best books are not 100% about lies or errors. Lies and errors is then a different subject, but getting all knowledge from a book alone is impossible.

[Max Wünsche]

Thanks to bnz.42 and Robert H, many thanks for the quick feedback!

And for sure I understand nothing is infallible or 100% correct, but I have heard a few people mention certain books that
showed uniforms etc... that have since been proven incorrect / fake etc...

Thanks again.

[Gran Sasso]

Since the subject of books has been brought up, what is the best and most up-to-date reference out there at the moment...

Ive shortlisted about 10 books on Amazon and from other recommendations it seems the - Uniforms of the Waffen SS Vol. 1-3 by Michael D. Beaver are good?

What about - Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS: A Photographic Reference (Schiffer Military / Aviation History) Michael D. Beaver?

Any good recommendations so that I dont go for outdated or incorrect books?

It depends what you are after: If "just" camo, go for the 1st book that came out (Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS).

If you are interested in all kinds of SS-uniforms, go for the 3 volume set - in this case you do not need the 1st mentioned (although it contains more details about camo, then the 3 volume contains).

Also, for the "small wallet" I recommend the book about SS-camo by Daniel Peterson.

[Max Wünsche]

I have this one (not sure of the errors if any) :

Waffen-SS Uniforms In Color Photographs: Europa Militaria Series #6 by Andrew Steven & Peter Amodio

Its claims most of the uniforms in that book are from the same collection.

I have since seen the same Dot44 pants from that book, with POW markings in white for sale/sold on a dealer website.

I would probably go for all the books I mentioned + the one by M.D. Beaver, on Allgemeine + Waffen SS Headgear....

Much appreciate the advice.

It depends what you are after: If "just" camo, go for the 1st book that came out (Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS).

If you are interested in all kinds of SS-uniforms, go for the 3 volume set - in this case you do not need the 1st mentioned (although it contains more details about camo, then the 3 volume contains).

Also, for the "small wallet" I recommend the book about SS-camo by Daniel Peterson.

[Gran Sasso]

I have this one (not sure of the errors if any) :

Waffen-SS Uniforms In Color Photographs: Europa Militaria Series #6 by Andrew Steven & Peter Amodio

More fakes than good stuff....