HR and box

[Niblet]

Germany you tube just pulled the plug on it

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YouTube

NIBLET - Just close your eyes and imagine you're on a city bus, and there's some guy next to you muttering incoherently to himself. You don't dare look directly at him, lest he drag you into his confused world. That's what you missed.

[Gaspard]

Thanks for these precisions, cornernotch.

[David Fettes]

It was the defense used at the show to explain why the certificate was wrong about the ring flaws.

So your stating something which is not in black and white, just what was said.

whose family lost thousands of dollars as a result of what happened

I was under the impression that before they sold the ring to you they didnt have the money, so surely by you buying the ring they gained thousands of dollars.

[Craig Gottlieb]

I will post the video elsewhere, don't worry. We now have independent confirmation of the $11,500 offer, that the family missed out on. By the way, I paid the family $2000 more than he told me he would be happy with. Regarding what was said, I am 99% certain that it is in print on this thread also - not about the box, but about the ring. It was claimed that not only the box was "switched" but so was the ring.

[David Fettes]

We now see the $11,500 offer, that the family missed out on. By the way, I paid the family $2000 more than he told me he would be happy with.

So if your such a stand up guy why didnt you send them back to the guy who offered 11,500? This life is full of "if only" moments.....have been there myself. If the family had the 11,500 in their pocket and it was stolen then they missed out. That didnt happen, what did happen is they had your money instead, so they really didnt miss out on anything. As for the video, I feel this has been going on for such a long time now that most people just dont care anymore. Minds have been made up over who is right and who is wrong. Stop flogging the dead horse, its dead and your only making yourself look daft. IMO.

[Craig Gottlieb]

Because I knew that the ring was damaged goods, and it's now steeped in controversy. Had Don not done what he did, the ring would have easily sold for $11,500 or more.

[Craig Gottlieb]

Because I knew that the ring and box were damaged goods, and it's now steeped in controversy. I've had other rings that were "pooh poohed" on despite being real, and are now hard to sell. I told him that the ring would have been worth a LOT more than I was paying him, and that I would do what I could to restore it's authenticity in the market (which I have done), and he was okay with that. Had Don not done what he did, the ring would have easily sold for $11,500 or more. As a dealer, I would have GLADLY paid $15,000 for it were it not damaged by careless or misleading comments. By the way, if the video is pulled from Youtube, it's now listed on my website:

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/in...Filter=Gallery

[David Fettes]

If anyone is interested the audio conversation is available on Craigs website......under the description of the ring AND a total dig at Don.......jeez you are really sticking the knife in as hard as you can.........I have learnt that people who do that in public are just not to be trusted. Sorry Craig but I have lost any faith that I may have had in you.

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=4297

By the way, the recording has not changed my mind one bit.

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Comment

Don't you just hate it when someone infinitely dumber than you confuses their own manipulative abilities with actual intelligence?

[Craig Gottlieb]

This will be my last post on this unless something new comes along. Yes, I had to stick the knife in. At the beginning of this conversation, I stated that I had a dog in this fight, and everyone knows that. On the eve of my book being published, a very carefully crafted "whisper campaign" was launched to discredit my book. I swore never to forget it, and I didn't. Then, when I saw an author abuse his position to pry a 100% genuine artifact from a veteran's family, I felt I had to do something. I proved the case with photos and audio that this is what happened, and now my job is done. It's one thing to use your knowledge to buy something cheaper than the next guy after the seller has told you what he wants for it. But this was something entirely different.

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Last Post

This is absolutely and unequivocally my last post EVER!! Or at least until I post again.

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Final Post + 1

READ CAREFULLY AND RESPOND: This entire issue started out because Don Boyle's EXPERTISE was questioned, not his honesty, integrity, or his business practices. These issues only surfaced after Craig's book came out, as I recall. For what? - 25 or 30 years, Don's got a great reputation, and now he doesn't because Craig posts a You-tube with a person you can't see, and a voice that sounded like they were paid in bong hits to make the video. No offense to you stoner collectors out there. But BE HONEST - WAS THIS FILMED AT A HOMELESS SHELTER IN L.A.? And by the way, no one was out to smear Craig's book. The forum members just disagreed with some assertions in the book. I never criticized the book because I never saw it. But I'll tell you right now, that if Craig's book says TKRings were lost-wax cast, I disagree. And my Super-Hero, Don Boyle agrees with me, so there. And he thanks you for elevating his status to hero. NOW PRODUCE A PHOTO OF A RING THAT DON BOYLE EVER SOLD THAT YOU THINK IS FAKE, ALONG WITH DETAILS OF THE PURCHASE. NO CAN DO, HUH?

[Niblet]

That's HIM!! That's the guy I was talking about. He DOES sound like he has oatmeal pooled at the corners of his mouth, AND dripping down his chin! Doesn't Craig remind you more each day of Obama when Obama tries to convince everybody he's a Christian? The more he talks about it, the less people believe him. Most dealers don't have to make Youtube videos to try to convince people of their credibility.

heh heh what a funny but true comparison!


I'm somwhat perplexed,,,how does one "restore authenticity" to something???

[Gaspare]

Switched ring?! ,, "restore authenticity"?!Your losing it!
Don after seeing this topic and when I showed it to the other person,both said the BOX was not the box they saw that day at Dons.

Forget the box for a min,,,That ring IF good is an $11K ring?!? really?,,Maybe I missed something [I'm serious, please correct me] is the guy even found on the list? Is he a combat guy,,mass murderer, KC winner?? . IF he is a glorified paperpusher or similar that's a $9k. ring tops!! And, why is it only you ,or your associates, that seem to have these problems with HRs,,and helmets,and collar tabs,and daggers, and,,

- anyway,,this has gone from funny to ridiculous,,sad really.....
10-4 over and out..