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**Thorsten B.** · 10-02-2010, 08:09 AM

Gaspard,

Is there any reason behind why you have chosen - as a NEW member here and within this discussion! - a member name that NEARLY is identical to the one of member "Gaspare" here???

You are invited to explain that.

What do you really know about the characters being involved here?

**Gaspard** · 10-02-2010, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post

Gaspard,

Is there any reason behind why you have chosen - as a NEW member here and within this discussion! - a member name that NEARLY is identical to the one of member "Gaspare" here???

You are invited to explain that.

What do you really know about the characters being involved here?

Hi Thorsten,

I'm a member of WA forum since 03-03-2009. I was about to buy a THR some years ago but transaction failed. I have read a lot of articles about THRs and i love to see what specialists say about honor rings ; i'm a newbie for sure but this story about this box simply "killed" me. I'm not a Gottlieb fan, but i must admit that he was right. When you are a specialist like Don, YOU CAN'T SAY that you received a different box that the one presented here. And if so, prove it.

**Thorsten B.** · 10-02-2010, 10:08 AM

Hi Gaspard,

Well, collecting SS items is a risky minefield for sure.

You addressed one main important topic within this thread and discussion.

But I think there is that one which is even more important to clearify:

How actually were the rings really made in the period?

And why is it that one party keeps on insisting that only his chosen explanation and production method can be right and that the other one brought forward must be wrong?

There is a lot of money involved and losing reputation means losing money, at least for a dealer.

Especially when he is not really interested in finding out - and accepting - the historical truth about the production method rather than earning money, you know?

Until now I am afraid that any further discussion - if continuing without really bringing significant evidence to the front - can only influence the actual market price in an obviously negative way.

I do not own an Ehrenring as well.

**David Fettes** · 10-02-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Gaspard View Post

When you are a specialist like Don, YOU CAN'T SAY that you received a different box that the one presented here. And if so, prove it.

The question is, can Craig prove that the box Don saw WAS NOT the same box. The answer is no because he was not there.

At the end of the day there are always two sides to every story and I am afraid this thread has turned into a sort of playground, my dad is bigger then your dad situation. It is very clear that Craig has a beef with Don and with that in mind ALL sentences that he starts with Don this and Don that, need to be taken with a bit of scepticism. On the other hand Don is not doing himself any favours by not replying to his foremost critic. However that is his right to do so and I for one will honour that right. You will not find me shouting for answers.

So people, is there any chance we can move on and leave the bitterness behind. Craig did say near the start of this thread that he had issues with Don and would not be calling him down at every turn. This statement however turned out to be false. I am left to wonder what else is false too.

**Niblet** · 10-02-2010, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb View Post

It seems that nobody else has forgotten that sentence either. We gave him an opportunity to redeem himself, and he declined. It's his own business. This will be my last post on the subject of Don Boyle in this thread. Mark my words, and thrown them in my face if I regress. I will start another thread when I return on TK ring boxes, and will offer a photographic analysis of the three striped boxes I assembled (haha, not with glue) here at the MAX.

Craig,

Redeemed to you, he needs no redemption here, you have doe nothing but yap about a deal that has no less than 3 or four stories. What makes yours right. Its pretty obvious you run unopposed here on fot the most part but those that are silent know the issues with this deal your part. If you wish to sell a book, just sell it. But your agenda is pretty clear to many. So bring your photos and what ever you wish but its a non issue as its a matter of opinion and and personal word. Bring photos or whatever, but the guy did ot like the box sent to him.

**Gaspard** · 10-02-2010, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post

Hi Gaspard,

Well, collecting SS items is a risky minefield for sure.

You addressed one main important topic within this thread and discussion.

But I think there is that one which is even more important to clearify:

How actually were the rings really made in the period?

And why is it that one party keeps on insisting that only his chosen explanation and production method can be right and that the other one brought forward must be wrong?

There is a lot of money involved and losing reputation means losing money, at least for a dealer.

Especially when he is not really interested in finding out - and accepting - the historical truth about the production method rather than earning money, you know?

Until now I am afraid that any further discussion - if continuing without really bringing significant evidence to the front - can only influence the actual market price in an obviously negative way.

I do not own an Ehrenring as well.

Hi again,

You're talking about how rings were made. I have no idea. Really. I have, like a lot here, read people theories but i must admit that i'm a pure novice in jewelry manufacturing. I'm sure too that some people know or possess geniune molds.
I prefer to talk about the reasons who pushed Don Boyle to say that an original item (ss hr box) was a big fake. As you know, you don't have 1000 different styles THrs boxes.

If Don would have balls, he will explain on that story on Max Show. As then we could know what to think.

ps : i will no enter on an old "fight" between Don and Craig.

**Niblet** · 10-02-2010, 02:15 PM

If you want to nuke the entire ring market, you are heading in the right direction.
Knock it off and let it go, and there are many things people do not know.

**Gaspard** · 10-02-2010, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Niblet View Post

If you want to nuke the entire ring market, you are heading in the right direction.
Knock it off and let it go, and there are many things people do not know.

That's not my intention. All members can post their opinion here.
Time will say if Mister Boyle acted well.

**Thorsten B.** · 10-02-2010, 03:36 PM

Time will set an end to ruthless attempts to move high end priced fakes into the ring market.

That´s what time will say.

**tanker** · 10-02-2010, 04:18 PM

Seems like that is exactly what you are doing with a post like this!
Seems kind of odd you suddenly appear on the thread with very few post and supporting the CG side. What is your REAL motive.
Ron

Originally posted by Gaspard View Post

Hi again,

You're talking about how rings were made. I have no idea. Really. I have, like a lot here, read people theories but i must admit that i'm a pure novice in jewelry manufacturing. I'm sure too that some people know or possess geniune molds.
I prefer to talk about the reasons who pushed Don Boyle to say that an original item (ss hr box) was a big fake. As you know, you don't have 1000 different styles THrs boxes.

If Don would have balls, he will explain on that story on Max Show. As then we could know what to think.

ps : i will no enter on an old "fight" between Don and Craig.

**leib1** · 10-02-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post

Time will set an end to ruthless attempts to move high end priced fakes into the ring market.

That´s what time will say.

Well said

**Niblet** · 10-02-2010, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Gaspard View Post

That's not my intention. All members can post their opinion here.
Time will say if Mister Boyle acted well.

I do know your intent and do not care, you have 5 posts and no history. Be careful would be my best advise.

**blackdagger** · 10-02-2010, 05:42 PM

Military Trader

Just got it today. Has anybody seen CG's ad?? And when I thought all this could not get any funnier!

**TheGoodWitch** · 10-02-2010, 06:12 PM

smells fishy

Gaspard is Gottlieb. This is a silly thread obviously Gottlieb has an agenda and his mystery supporter whose name is almost the same as Gaspare just makes it smell even fisher. The only time C Gottlieb posts anything is make accusations against Don B. I can say that I have read Craigs book and was dissappointed to say the least. I wouldnt trust his ideas because of his obvious agenda to attack Don B.

**DR DOLCH** · 10-02-2010, 06:43 PM

Well the ring box in the DB coa and the one that CG showed us did not fit the description in the coa. From the start I did not understand why it was called a crude poorly made reproduction or whatever the exact words were along those line. I am no expert on boxes but I thought it looked very good. So why not say something along the lines of It is a very well made reproduction that would fool most novice , but it is not an original box.Why document in writting something that is obvious to the novice collector an original. It just does not look in anyway like some cheap copy. Unless the one DB got was a cheap copy

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