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    Polizei breast runes patch

    Was told a few years ago that this one is not original.
    Just wanted to double check before they go in the trash.
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      #3
      They seem un-even for the pattern presented to SS-members of the police. But that odd step seemed to be a standard pattern for members of the Prinz Eugen.

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        #4
        Thanks Joe, would never have made that connection.

        Construction wise, it looks ok to me but this is not my area. It came with a small group of items and everything else was original.

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          #5
          I would not necessarily rule them out Ben, but indeed would have liked the runes to be even-lined up.
          Since the cloth appears field-grey, it is no Polizei issue but indeed a W-SS badge. (I have one similar for sale (= on hold) at the insignia E-stand at the moment, perhaps nice to compare).

          Nice addition from Joe that the W-SS issue apparently differed, something worth to look into on original photo’s ...

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            #6
            Had a quick search and came up with these photos which confirms the "step" for the Prinz Eugen Div.
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              #7
              Actually this is another variation, cut-out on black if I'm not mistaking. But it subscribes to the fact that Prinz Eugen differed in design.

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                #8
                I have seen several different designs of the breast runes. Those posted above appear to be original.

                Bob Hritz
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                  #9
                  Not only Prinz Eugen, but also Handschar, late SS-Polizei-Division and other WSS units were allowed to wear the SS-Brustabzeichen, so I wouldn't call it a "Prinz Eugen design" but one of the different designs used by WSS.
                  I personally like it.
                  Last edited by PBR; 08-09-2010, 01:03 PM.

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                    #10
                    Thank you!
                    I'm glad I posted it again, it was seconds away from going in the trash!

                    Can someone give me a rough idea of value please so I can list it on the estand? sorry to ask but I haven't a clue.

                    I've been doing some research today and couldn't find another like this for sale anywhere.

                    SS-Brustabzeichen in wear on a Handschar tunic but not the staggered runes design like the one I have.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by T.K. View Post
                      Not only Prinz Eugen, but also Handschar, late SS-Polizei-Division and other WSS units were allowed to wear the SS-Brustabzeichen, so I wouldn't call it a "Prinz Eugen design" but one of the different designs used by WSS.
                      I personally like it.

                      But actually this is the interesting thing...of course you are right that other W-SS units like Handschar etc used the breastrunes but as Joe stated as "But that odd step seemed to be a standard pattern for members of the Prinz Eugen", appears to be correct if I check period photo's. All Prinz Eugen members I saw worn either the black 'cut-out' version or the full cloth covered ones with indeed un-even runes, in stead of Handschar for comparison who worn mainly the even version!

                      Of course I can't state this for a fact as in a general rule, but is this indeed what you implied Joe? I would never have realized this!?
                      Could this be some quartermaster issue then?? One would not expect such a subtle difference in war time, both in logistics or common sense...

                      Anyway, a nice D-tour on your initial question Ben.

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                        Yes, it's very interesting (for some). This one single item has lead to a whole day of research for me but still, no definite answers out there as yet.

                        It also lead to other areas of research that I never would have considered before as well.
                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...Brustabzeichen

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                          #13
                          Here is mine for comparison.

                          Greg
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                            #14
                            I have a set that are just like Greg's.

                            Ben...what else are you about to toss out?

                            Richard

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