Is this Russian source image from AH's bunker perhaps?

[CIANO]

Hi,

I was wondering how many WH/SS Tunics,Visors etc the Russian Soldiers brought back as souvenirs...thousands I guess...that are now in Russian homes, as grandfathers souvenirs....

[Fritz]

There is no proof the tunic holding by the russian offc. is from that locker. All tunics inside have the same rank.
Maybee he just compared the tunic in hand with those inside, to decide which one to "liberate"...

I think I can see two Scharführer (or higher rank, one tunic and one coat) and one Unterscharführer tunic plus a coat with no boards/straps, one unused hanger and three caps. I think there is a chance it was found the way one can see it on the pic. Likely uniforms from some office personal that all seem to be tailor made.

Cheers

Fritz

[Gran Sasso]

I think I can see two Scharführer (or higher rank, one tunic and one coat) and one Unterscharführer tunic plus a coat with no boards/straps, one unused hanger and three caps. I think there is a chance it was found the way one can see it on the pic. Likely uniforms from some office personal that all seem to be tailor made.

Cheers

Fritz

I see the same ranks, but (like said) IMO the tunic holding is not from this locker: All inside show the same rank, and same unit. The caps matches the tunics inside, too (NCOs are known to wear visors with occ. insignia). The empty hanger belonged to the tunic the soldier is wearing now (while still in combat, KIA, as POW, or whatever).

Also dont think the russian would have grapped the tunic, removed the hanger, and put the hanger back into the locker...

But thats only my opinion - we will never know.

[Federico Perez]

I think this is probably the barracks, if you see the condition of the officer tunic been hold by the russian, it looks quite "scrapy" in apperance, like it was on the floor....or badly folded in a bag!!

Also there a black visor cap on top of the cabinet, which if we take in consideration the crissis time frame in the bunker, that type of hat/uniform will not be nessesary or taken with the solidier to the smaller/limited space of those instalations. This is of course my very personal opinion.

[DonC]

I suspect that this may have been taken at Lichterfelde - it looks more like a barracks room than something in the Bunker.

Don

[VPpat]

At least when I was in the military the headgear for the uniforms in the wall locker would have been on top or on top inside shelf. Do any of the headgear match any of the tunics inside?

[Bob Hritz]

While the Germans spent much energy making fancy uniforms and hats, the Soviets made tanks, airplanes, and guns which won the war.

Bob Hritz

[frank savage]

Hi there!

Don't think that the time employ to sewn the uniform was take away from the construction of tanks and airplane... Only a different conception of uniform...

That's true that there's some inexplicable fact, as the different camos for every branch, or nouance of tan for LW, KM, Heer or SS ... with the consequent lack of time to delivery every ones to every front, with the unavoidable congestion of clothing minister or delivery traffic... In the modern warfare, all the army have choise an uniform for every branch, changed only the rank sistem.. the evidence that the 'german way' was wrong..

Anyway, great photo! I know it, but every time capable of astonish me!

Thanks for sharing! Cheers!

[stonemint]

This pic is definately from the Bunker, and was taken by a Life photog during a tour of the Bunker in June '45--makes you wonder whose hat this was--Mohnke's? Rattenhuber?

[stonemint]

Here is another contrast posed by the Soviet PK: The young peasant-soldier and the old Prussian blue-blood:

(Pic is of Karl Emil Wrobel who surrendered with Weidling):

[stonemint]

Although not SS, this (staged?) pic does show that most did not have the courage of their convictions (I call it flight of the goldfasanen):

[John Pen.]

..............................look at the European Axis countries they had much more interesting uniformology. Well thats my opinion anyway.

I agree. That is most likely the reason the items are now so high value. The "coolest looking" at the top.....SS. JMHO

Jp

p.s. that pic has been posted here several times, and it always makes me wish I had a time machine.

[Bob Hritz]

Hi,

I was wondering how many WH/SS Tunics,Visors etc the Russian Soldiers brought back as souvenirs...thousands I guess...that are now in Russian homes, as grandfathers souvenirs....

All captured material was property of the Soviet government. War looting was a crime in the Soviet military. If anything was kept, it would have remained a secret. I believe that is why our comrades in the Russian Federation are so eager to buy German war souvenirs.

Bob Hritz

[John Pen.]

While the Germans spent much energy making fancy uniforms and hats, the Soviets made tanks, airplanes, and guns which won the war.

Bob Hritz

I love it...never heard that angle,...but it is interesting. Here's a similar version(if you don't mind);

Germany lost the war because they were pre-occupied with designing and making the coolest uniforms and insignia of the period so collectors of the future could become mesmerized by it and collectively drop billions($$$) on the hobby.

could it be true?

Jp

[kammo man]

uuuummmm!!!!

Lets test that theory .

UK = 5 cammo patterns kinda boring and earthy

USA = 1 cammo pattern yawn....


Germany = 20 plus patterns very colorful and different with added carbon.

Winner ???

You make the call..

owen