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    Allgemiene SS NCO Visor on E-Stand

    I would love to hear some opinions on the visor. Here's the link.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=431499

    Is the large VA stamp on the oilcloth liner a common stamp?

    What do the other inkstamps mean?

    Thanks!
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    Cap on E-stand

    Originally posted by Naval Enigma View Post
    I would love to hear some opinions on the visor. Here's the link.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=431499

    Is the large VA stamp on the oilcloth liner a common stamp?

    What do the other inkstamps mean?

    Thanks!
    A wonderful example.
    The VA stamp is encountered from time to time, not a problem. The stamp on the visor indicates the fiber visor is approved for ss use.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
      A wonderful example.
      The VA stamp is encountered from time to time, not a problem. The stamp on the visor indicates the fiber visor is approved for ss use.
      Thanks! I've seen VA stamps on rocks. What entity does the actual stamping? Is it a quartermaster stamp? An inspector's stamp?

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        #4
        That is a very nice Clemens Wagner. Textbook.
        NEC SOLI CEDIT

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          #5
          That's a true stunner! Wish I had the bucks!
          Greg

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            #6
            Cap

            The patina on the skull looks odd, IMO. You mentioned that it was an M52. Was the skull off the cap for you to see the "M1/52" on the back? I don't doubt that the design is a Deschler, I'm just not sure about the patina, and if the skull was off the cap at some point.

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              #7
              the skull should be a rzm52. There is no doubt about this visor and insignia. buy it if you have the dough.

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                #8
                Originally posted by sgstandard View Post
                The patina on the skull looks odd, IMO. You mentioned that it was an M52. Was the skull off the cap for you to see the "M1/52" on the back? I don't doubt that the design is a Deschler, I'm just not sure about the patina, and if the skull was off the cap at some point.
                sgstandard, I'm thinking the same about the patina.
                I've got a near perfect repro set of the M52 skull and eagle set and they match
                very close to the style and patina on this nco's cap. I guess without close ups of the reverse side of each insignia it would be a tough call for me at least.

                Just my 2 cents worth ! Wolfslair.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by wolfslair View Post
                  sgstandard, I'm thinking the same about the patina.
                  I've got a near perfect repro set of the M52 skull and eagle set and they match
                  very close to the style and patina on this nco's cap. I guess without close ups of the reverse side of each insignia it would be a tough call for me at least.

                  Just my 2 cents worth ! Wolfslair.

                  M1/52 and RZM 52 is different, hence patina differs naturally. I think the skull is a replaced, but i won't see this as an issue.

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                    Insignia

                    The problem is that they stated it was a "Deschler 52". Does this mean ""M1/52", or "RZM 52"? The information is ambiguous. SS Gentleman knows his stuff, so maybe the RZM52 patinas differently. But if it's an "M1/52", the patina looks peculiar.

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                      #11
                      Insignia

                      Originally posted by sgstandard View Post
                      The problem is that they stated it was a "Deschler 52". Does this mean ""M1/52", or "RZM 52"? The information is ambiguous. SS Gentleman knows his stuff, so maybe the RZM52 patinas differently. But if it's an "M1/52", the patina looks peculiar.
                      I am not sure why all the fuss. The insignia is real. Eagle looks to be aluminum. Assume both are replaced. As far as RZM52 of M1/52...so what? The hat is worth $4000 stripped. If aluminum, the eagle may be worth $1200. The skull, $900. There you go! No problem.

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                        #12
                        I found this cap back in 2005. The skull is an RZM 52 and the eagle is a cupal M1/72. The skull has very dark tarnish.
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                          Skull

                          There is no fuss, only opinion. Fussing is for grandmothers, liberals, and small children, so it would help if the original poster would clarify what he meant. Unless the insignia was off the cap, how does the owner know what the back says? If the insignia was off the cap, then why? The skull looks not unlike fakes I've seen, and that was 20 years ago. Wolfslair says the same thing. SSgentleman says that RZM 52's tarnish differently than M1/52's. If that's the case, it could explain the patina. But when more than one person brings up the same point, if I were the owner of the cap, I'd want to know if the insignia was 100%. If, indeed, this is an RZM52, would it be too early for this cap, which appears to be made later? (Frankly, I don't know when they used the "VA" stamps, and I don't know the exact year of the RZM 52's, though I'd assume they were early). This skull may be perfectly good, but ask yourself this: If you were a dealer with a perfectly good original cap, would you be tempted to swap the skull with a fake one, and make an additional $500-$700 on the good skull, to put food on the table for your family? Like I said, probably good, but the skull not a one-looker, because at least 2 of us have looked twice.

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                            #14
                            It's not my cap anymore and I'm not the seller but nothing looks to have been changed since I sold it years ago. It's really none of my business now but all these weird theories and suspicions are ridiculous.

                            When I bought the cap, the previous owner had polished them, no doubt to try and get rid of the dark patina on the skull in particular. He'd managed to get metal polish on the trikot which is why I took them off to clean the cap and how I know what maker marks they have. Are these the original badges that this cap had from day one? Who knows, maybe not but to say that a Deschler RZM 52 is of the wrong timeframe for a 1938 dated cap is just plain incorrect.

                            Anyway, the badges have already been discussed and confirmed as original back in 2005. If anyone knows more about black caps than Donald or about SS cap insignia than Chris, I'd like to meet them.
                            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=121499
                            Ignore the first set of badges in this thread, they have nothing to do with this cap.

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                              #15
                              Skull

                              I did NOT say the era was incorrect - I said I didn't know. I merely brought up the question. I did NOT say the skull was fake - I merely said the patina looked odd, and resembles fakes I'd seen. (turns out, lo and behold, it WAS monkeyed with). No one questions the expertise of the well-known collectors who share information on this forum, but it seems peculiar that collectors who obviously identify with the battle-hardened spirit of those never-say-die Waffen-SS troopers, get their panties rumpled when someone dares question something, much less disagrees with them. But to show you that I DO have feelings for the more sensitive among us.... I apologize for my heretical comments, and now agree that this is the finest example of cranial perfection I have ever seen. In fact, if I were an SS skull, this is the skull I'd most like to be. A skull for all seasons, if you will.

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