SS evening dress Broach

[maestro]

...and i'm a $150 short on the refund
which is a lot better than what i paid for it.
i owe it to WAF members catching it. thank you

[james m]

For the record here. Two things strike me as markedly different between the "original" and the Winkler example. Others have stated that's it's hard even now to tell the difference. However; here's what I see in the above comparisons:

*A marked lack of detail in the copy.
*A marked lack of crispness in the strike when the copy is compared to the original

Does anyone else see anything different? I can understand how difficult this must have been at the SOS without an original to compare with.
Jim

[Fritz]

I think what kicked it off in the UK was the recent sale of an Adolf Hitler silver tray that went extremely high, £ 28000 + 6000 auction fee. Ive only seen this discussion in some UK news and they, as usual, get a lot of things wrong. The news mentions that in many European countries, like in Germany, sales of nazi items is forbidden. Ohh, yeah... Pity Hermann Historica or Thiese didnt know that...

Some UK MP's urges for a ban though, or at least express repulsion. The latest event I think is an isolated UK thing. It is a lot of politically correctness involved. That wins votes, or at least gives the impression that this or that politician is a person with high morale fighting for "good values" e.g politically correct.


However, it is all in the line of bans by Ebay, Yahoo and some other auction houses.

Well put!

I am more worried for the right to own arms in Europe after Olso 2011 and recent events in France. Semi auto rifles are banned in Norway after this, and the police even confiscate already legal arms. In France, it was illegal arms, but politicians or reporters think its all the same. Guns are bad!

//Felix

Yes, that we have seen many times before. Funny also to see how they try to turn illegally owned guns into legally owned ones. The logic behind these bans is likely that a murderer will think twice whether he should murder or not should that require him to use an illegal weapon. Gee.

To the general public it seems all correct, those people aren't noticing that the same "pretend-to-be-the-good-guy" politicians that ban handguns are helping to sell tanks and missles to despots and are responsible for the death of millions in the world.

But as, I think, Stalin said: The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is merely a statistic.


Don't mean to draw the focus off of the thread's actual topic.

Cheers

[SScollector]

For the record here. Two things strike me as markedly different between the "original" and the Winkler example. Others have stated that's it's hard even now to tell the difference. However; here's what I see in the above comparisons:

*A marked lack of detail in the copy.
*A marked lack of crispness in the strike when the copy is compared to the original

Does anyone else see anything different? I can understand how difficult this must have been at the SOS without an original to compare with.
Jim

Yes, there are numerous things that are wrong with the fakes besides the details. Many things have been pointed out throughout this thread. The entire badge is too big. The marking are completely different. The list goes on...

Best, Chris

[Hoss]

May I ask a couple of questions?
Why is the example posted by the late W.C. Stump (post #13) the only one with a frosted coating or is it simply the photo?
Further why they needed to be bolted to a formal dress jacket requiring holes and a backing plate?
The originals appear to have more flaws including a cavernous left lower thigh bone when viewing the reverse.

Eric

[Hoss]

Well
Old Hoss put the cork in the bottle regarding that thread?

Whats for Dinner Lol!

Eric

[SScollector]

Like every piece of third Reich aluminum insignia, buckles, etc., these badges were also originally finished with the typical silver/gray frosted paint. I would assume that the one that you are referring to, appears extra frosty simply because of the lighting in the picture. Fakes can have this same finish too. Not a big concern in this area, IMO. As for the crossbone detail, the originals should always have more detail everywhere, not just one area.
Study them and learn them, and you will be able to spot the differences amongst the fakes and real badges.

As for your question as to why they needed to bolt them with a back plate, I have not a clue. That's just the way that it was done.

Hope this helps! Chris

[maestro]

an original

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...5383&highlight

[Hoss]

Like every piece of third Reich aluminum insignia, buckles, etc., these badges were also originally finished with the typical silver/gray frosted paint. I would assume that the one that you are referring to, appears extra frosty simply because of the lighting in the picture. Fakes can have this same finish too. Not a big concern in this area, IMO. As for the crossbone detail, the originals should always have more detail everywhere, not just one area.
Study them and learn them, and you will be able to spot the differences amongst the fakes and real badges.

As for your question as to why they needed to bolt them with a back plate, I have not a clue. That's just the way that it was done.

Hope this helps! Chris

Thanks Chris
Here's the '04 one posted by WCS. Where is it now?

Eric

[Don D.]

Any new developments?

[Hoss]

Any new developments?

Doesn't look that way Don
It was front page awhile ago, maybe they've all joined the scoundrel in the Bahamas?
The Doc is back in his subterranean vault slaughtering cattle and enjoying 100 females to every man or was it the other way round. Lol!
The boys with originals have probably gone over to Dr Frankinliebs' lab to have em dissected.

Good night Don
Good old WAF Yawn!

Eric

[maestro]

older reproduction

[maestro]

does anyone know if there's other makers than m1/21

[Hoss]

Why do the early copies have pins?
No disrespect but I wish Robin was still here.

Eric

[Don D.]

Anybody get their money back yet?