SS evening dress Broach

[John Pic]

Of coarse after all the years croney collecting has been defended and many people have been suspended,hand slapped ,ridiculed etc etc. for attempting to discuss this annoying factor of the hobby and suggesting it is a problem...for collectors. This thread focuses on one guys items but there have been other dealers who have been colled out on things but still rank high in the collecting realm despite it....

[David Guist]

Please keep the focus on the piece. Best regards.

[besslein]

I talked with one of the buyers last Sunday. He traded for his example, and says that Kai will be returning the items he traded. Then he said something really annoying: "I wonder if he (Kai) was duped as well?" There you go, a ready made excuse to let him off the hook. Much easier to do this and let life go on than actually confront him on his crooked transaction.

You wait and see, Kai will be back at the SOS next year like nothing happened.

Tom

i always wonder how the collectors buy from winkler TOP and ultra RARE after all this junk he has offered last years,any one remember hes color piped WSS visors? and all another junk he has ............lol.

[John Pepera]

tjn, Tom,

Exactly as I expressed....

""Whoops, I was duped" SORRY but business continued as usual.

John Pic,

Exactly!

[John Pic]

we are getting out of focus.

[Gaspare]

looks like they [who exactly] tried to make the perfect fake,,,but probably cheaped out with the maker...
I agree with Rob 100%,,$10, $15k and you'd have the perfect fake.
Originals I believe are not die struck,,but die cast.. These are really simple thing to make compared to something like a state of the art motor piston....

[Serge M.]

Wags,

Sounds as though monies are being returned and Kai has cancelled his order for a new 911 Carrera Turbo, in Tuxedo Badge Silver.

K

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Good one Vid !

The Doc. smelled something wrong and walked...been saving Doc's goat for a occasion.

-wagner-

[Vid]

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Good one Vid !

The Doc. smelled something wrong and walked...been saving Doc's goat for a occasion.

-wagner-

Wags,

Be really careful with Strangelove's goat!!. Very protective and you do not want to have an " Occasion " with it.

[Ian Hulley]

Of coarse after all the years croney collecting has been defended and many people have been suspended,hand slapped ,ridiculed etc etc. for attempting to discuss this annoying factor of the hobby and suggesting it is a problem...for collectors. This thread focuses on one guys items but there have been other dealers who have been colled out on things but still rank high in the collecting realm despite it....

Well said John. As we say in this country ... it's not WHAT you know it's WHO you know. There are dealers getting away with blatant fraud and malpractice and old time, highly respected collectors/fellow part-time traders are standing up for them in order to pick up the scraps from their table.

I find it so sad to see people I respected when I first started out on the internet back in '99/2000 turn into a crook's stool pigeons.

Ian

[kammo man]

Fun and games on this !!!


owen

[A c h t u n g !]

OK, then why can't someone just show us that perfect copy?
I've been waiting a long time to see something like that.
When the day comes that there are bucket fulls of perfect fakes,
then I will resign from this hobby. However, I am not the slightest bit afraid of this because it just can't happen. Even coins that are made with the most highly sophisticated technologies cannot make a perfect coin that looks exactly like another coin of the same type, but from a different die,
even though they are made from the very same master die from a big machine. Talk to some coin experts and they can show you the flaws and differences amongst different dies that are made from the exact same master die. Of course, I agree that they can be very close and very dangerous, but never perfect, IMO.

By the way, the aluminum plated silver one that was posted last is
just covered with mistakes, (whether it was made by man, or by machine),
but does it really matter how they are made exactly?

Chris

I agree metal items that were made by one maker with one die like coins are impossible to re-create perfectly same. But I wonder how many "nicely"-made fake insignias, uniforms, badges etc reside in collections as original WW2-period made items, only because they don't have obvious "red flags" in their construction.

[tgn]

I agree metal items that were made by one maker with one die like coins are impossible to re-create perfectly same. But I wonder how many "nicely"-made fake insignias, uniforms, badges etc reside in collections as original WW2-period made items, only because they don't have obvious "red flags" in their construction.

Lots, for sure.

Go through mine and I am sure you find some.

[SgtB]

. . .you do not want to have an " Occasion " with it.

I've never heard it phrased quite that way before, but I have to admit it conjures up quite a "visual" ! But then I have a very vivid imagination for such things.

This has been quite a thread!

[WEISNER]

Fun and games on this !!!


owen

I don't think the buyers are having much fun, let's hope the master of the games is refunding money left and right owen?
it sure makes me wonder how many were passed off before the SOS? with the buyers thinking they were special being offered such a rare item perhaps at a good buddy price!
I could not afford to have a horse in this race, but I sure have found this thread to be very informative and think it should be pinned at the top to enlighten any late to the party collectors that may have bought one of these!

Kevin

[maestro]

gentlemen, i have another SS Tuxedo Badge Brooch Clasp for your review and opinions that seller is offering in exchange. thank you in advance.