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    #31
    i see know problems. how do we know there were not different variations in these seals. i believe you guys are refering to the sheetmetal seals vs lead..

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      #32
      This is how a probe should look IMO
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        #33
        Originally posted by SJP View Post
        This is how a probe should look IMO
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        Cheers Steve
        This in fact is how a Probe should look, the SEAL will be attached in such a manner as to not allow TAMPERING without it being noticed . On the collar tabs pictured the thread should run thru the main body of the tab and not be between the piping and burlap backing so as to discourage tampering with the seal , this is the only way I have seen it done.
        On the first example (eagle) the hole looks like it was made with a center punch on a crushed prong ? I do not think on a Probe piece this would have been done this crudely, coupled to the prior Skull thread these two pieces cannot be considered Probe pieces. to many inconsistencies in tags , strings , attachments, type of tag etc, etc etc .....
        SS Probe pieces are rare, and in fact do bring a very large premium , I have collected them for the last 25 years , I have only four in my collection, the last one noted was a SS bullion eagle that Peter Jenkins had, it sold in the $3000 range , at the time a very high price for the same eagle was $1500 .
        jimtoncar

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          #34
          I have seen probes with wire and string, lead and sheetmetal buttons, and everything from paper to metal on the tags themselves. If you look beyond the SS insignia to other RZM manufactured items (HJ, NSKK, etc), it is evident that manufacturers had any number of ways to secure the tag material to the emblem. Expand that to non-RZM probs, like the German Army, and you have a real wide sampling of possible tagging techniques.

          I've never seen any real authoritative study on tagging procedures, but suffice to say the act of tagging a prob was NOT regulated - probably any secure method would work.

          Dismissing the tags on these pieces as fantasy augments would be premature, IMO.

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            #35
            I have to say that these eagles are not rare at all.
            As a collector who focuses mainly on these eagle insignias, they come from time to time, often at shows here in Europe.

            The one here as showed by Mike is the aluminum variant. There is also a zinc version. The lesser seen one is the gold gilt NSDAP eagle for higher ranking officers.

            Pieces like this come from time to time on all dealer sites. In my opinion, they can be found if you search well enough.

            JMO, Mil

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