TK tab E Stand

[chrischa]

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I agree.

[John]

I am looking forward seeing pictures of known originals from your own collection when you are home again, I think it is not more then fair you show us real original ones which have been German vet picked up with 100% provenience.

And I will show you real ones Vet picked up from real TK vets in Germany, the only type which for sure are 100% originals.

I don´t own anything from the Plabst group, you know who owns the items and who are happy with them, ask them for the original pictures. I have no control over any.

Yes, the thread on the originals are different then the ones you call originals, as they where made with the original machinery after the war, but then the only threads available where the late war type thread which the late tabs where produced of, that is why they are so shallow and look more like the late war tabs.

Do you really think they made shallow ones at the start then horizontal ones looking exactly as the Plabst and other known originals with the thicker thread and then they went back to the thin thread again.........

For me the tab in post 62 (anyhow the one to the left) is a fake as well as the ones showed in post 99 as well as 100.

But as long as you are happy with the type which are fake in my opinion and I am happy with the originals, we are both happy.

Peter v L

Peter v L,
1.The Tk on the left in post #62 is not a fake, and the Tk's in posts # 99, #100 are not fakes. These Vertical Tk's are not easy to come by, as I said in my post #74. So it is hard for a person to study them.
2.You must have pictures of this Plabst Group you mention in your posts, so can we see them????
John
JF

[Dr. Strangelove]

Show

Peter cannot show you the Picture because the Person who owns the Group does not want the Pictures shown. That Person paid to own it and it is his privledge.

[Peter v L]

John,

For me it the TK to the left in post 62 is a fake as well as the ones in 99 and 100, but that i my opinion. The where made in the late 60´s as far as I know. That type has as far as I know never been seen in any direct vet pick up, and then I mean a TK vet. But I have seen several of the Plabst type, and I have documented 3 groups which I will post at a later stage in a new thread dealing with vertikal TK tabs.

Yes, I had pictures of the Plabst group, but as stated above, the owner/s of the group dont want them posted and I have them no more. If you want to see them ask the current owner/s. The pictures obviously made the current owner/s happy regarding the authenticity question.


Peter v L

Peter v L,
1.The Tk on the left in post #62 is not a fake, and the Tk's in posts # 99, #100 are not fakes. These Vertical Tk's are not easy to come by, as I said in my post #74. So it is hard for a person to study them.
2.You must have pictures of this Plabst Group you mention in your posts, so can we see them????
John
JF

[Robert H]

the EM tabs are the most dangerous league from all of them, super fakes are going back to the end of the 60's and 70's.

[SSgentleman]

Peter cannot show you the Picture because the Person who owns the Group does not want the Pictures shown. That Person paid to own it and it is his privledge.

for anyone who wants to see the original Plabst grouping......no dice !! Only could be seen by the selected few mortals !!

[Sayle F]

and who might they be

[Sonny]

em tabs

I find it very strange this thread surfaced again, never the less those of us who own em tk vertical tabs and numbered em tk vertical tabs and paid thousands for them know what to look for. I think Jim T has outlined the difference for us and Grant has done a side by side comparison. As for Jim T you can't discount 45 years of experience and someone who does not have any hidden agenda, nor does John F or myself. Honestly em tk numbered tabs, the rarest of them all, would probably go from collector to collector and very rarely be for sale in the open market.
As for the tabs they always have to stand on there own merit and not part of any grouping.

[Fritz]

First of all let me remind the reader that you yourself put these tabs in the "italian" / "french" fake corner, turned out they are not that at all:

Yes Robert, that is the one that came out about two shows ago.

I find it very strange this thread surfaced again

Why is that?

never the less those of us who own em tk vertical tabs and numbered em tk vertical tabs and paid thousands for them know what to look for.

Good, now the world knows that you have spent thousands of dollars and because you have the means to afford such tabs it makes your opinion highly qualified. Great.

Quite some time ago someone on that forum summarized that very nicely. "A guy who can afford a Ferrari is not necessarily able to fix anything on that car. A guy who knows everything about that car is likely not able to afford it." I liked that a lot, it was on the belts and buckle forum if I remember that right. Ok....I am running off the track, sorry for that.

I hope your investments in "correct pattern" TK tabs will be fruitful.

I think Jim T has outlined the difference for us

I am confused....You make nonsense of your own post. Why does Mr. Toncar have to outline the differences for you when you are so well educated yourself?

and Grant has done a side by side comparison.

Grant in my mind was truly fair and objective with what he posted, nonetheless I and others can disagree with what was said.

As for Jim T you can't discount 45 years of experience

Is that all? If that means anything the world should be full of old geniuses.

and someone who does not have any hidden agenda

Great, enjoy buying from him if you can, he might well be able to find you very nice early SS TK items that were picked up in 1945 by US veterans.

Honestly em tk numbered tabs, the rarest of them all, would probably go from collector to collector and very rarely be for sale in the open market.

That proclamation is in fact a zinger. On the other hand, are you suggesting that a tab that makes it into the open market has to be a fake then?

What if a tab, like the Plabst tabs, have never been in a collection before? They could hardly come from a collector then...or?

So better to buy from "collectors" that sell "veteran pick ups" and that sell more items than a number of dealers, yes?

BTW, there is a good deal of "collectors" on that forum that turn more items and money over than most militaria dealers out there. That is ok of course but shows that the terms "dealer" and "collector" prove nothing either way as far as this matter is concerned.

As for the tabs they always have to stand on there own merit and not part of any grouping.

Exactly, still, something being part of a valid grouping is a nice feature, however the fact that they were part of that grouping can not be ignored.

Especially not when you'd have seen the grouping, you didn't and probably won't, a pity.

[B. N. Singer]

No, of course I am not implying that. You have explained that, despite the fact that you offered these for sale, you were actually only selling something on behalf of someone else (an estand rules violation by the way), whom you will not name. It seems clear that you were merely an ignorant pawn, duped by this mystery third person into participating in a fraud.

I would never--how did you put it?--doubt your words.

At least there’s no more question as to Fritz’s mystery buddy.
B. N. Singer

[John]

John,

For me it the TK to the left in post 62 is a fake as well as the ones in 99 and 100, but that i my opinion. The where made in the late 60´s as far as I know. That type has as far as I know never been seen in any direct vet pick up, and then I mean a TK vet. But I have seen several of the Plabst type, and I have documented 3 groups which I will post at a later stage in a new thread dealing with vertikal TK tabs.

Yes, I had pictures of the Plabst group, but as stated above, the owner/s of the group dont want them posted and I have them no more. If you want to see them ask the current owner/s. The pictures obviously made the current owner/s happy regarding the authenticity question.


Peter v L

Peter v L,
My reason for asking about this Plabst picture is you made Ref. to the Vertical Tk type in this group. Since you have these Plabst type Tks, is it possible to see pictures of them now, I understand you want to wait and start a new thread on Vertical Tk Tabs. Since you are calling the items in post #99 and #100 fake and the Tk on the left in post #62 also fake. What is there to wait for, it's already started.
I have no interest in seeing pictures of an group all I have interest in seeing the Vertical (thread) Tks you are referring to.
John

[Dr. Strangelove]

Here they are

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=422874

Keep in mind they were found with no Buckram and no Piping.

[John]

Dr.
Thanks for the link, I see there another thread on the same subject. I'll wait for Peter v L responds,as you read he has other pictures of this type of Tk, in question.
John

[Peter v L]

John,

I will start a totally new thread about this question in the near future, I have some more research to do and need some consent from owners to show pictures on the forum and I need some time for doing it all.

Better to start a fresh thread only dealing with this issue.

That way the ones who do not agree with me will have time getting some info about the other type of tab together and hopefully there will be a fruitful discussion on the tab issue only.

Peter

Peter v L,
My reason for asking about this Plabst picture is you made Ref. to the Vertical Tk type in this group. Since you have these Plabst type Tks, is it possible to see pictures of them now, I understand you want to wait and start a new thread on Vertical Tk Tabs. Since you are calling the items in post #99 and #100 fake and the Tk on the left in post #62 also fake. What is there to wait for, it's already started.
I have no interest in seeing pictures of an group all I have interest in seeing the Vertical (thread) Tks you are referring to.
John

[Fritz]

At least there’s no more question as to Fritz’s mystery buddy.
B. N. Singer

Making noises is what you love so much, Sir. Beside that, what do you want to tell us? Re-read the entire thread and stop giving "hints" to the world.

I like the fact that you totally ignore the latest developments in this thread. Only shows that you don't care at all for the core of the matter and now try to spread your harassing fire over the actual topic, you indeed seem to think that by acting like this you serve your buddy well, the opposite may be the case, just keep on going and we'll find out.

Why don't you call your buddy so that (again) he can tell you whether a tab is fake or not, I understand you can't make up your own mind. Or maybe you did but then your opinion changed mysteriously? And if you are already up, ask him if there are other things to talk about.....Naturally I mean like how the weather is.....what else could I mean? Making noises, you see?

Your lame attempt in trying to draw bwanek1 back into that thread is pathetic, however, by doing that you clearly show that you don't care at all for the tabs and that your agenda is solely aimed at open skirmish that then draw the attention from the actual focus.