Leibstandarte china plates

[Lupara]

So the silver coffee pots and bowls I have seen on here have nothing to do with the LAH? I am glad I didn't go with that tea pot I saw on ebay

[TonyS]

So the silver coffee pots and bowls I have seen on here have nothing to do with the LAH? I am glad I didn't go with that tea pot I saw on ebay

yeah that was lucky.

[TonyS]

Sorry,

this is not LAH but HAL.

HAL means Hapag-Lloyd - that name is visable on your first porcelain bowl as well.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Leibstandarte and SS but everything with journeys on more or less luxurious ships from Europe to USA.

Thorsten is right, but if I could make one small correction.

HAL would be for their shorter abbreviation of "Hamburg-Amerika Linie" - they started in started in 1847 and didn't merge with Lloyds until 1970.

There is a nutty story on Germania International about SS guards from the LAH being assigned to guard HAPAG ships.........hence the "LAH" logo


Here's a 1930's poster from my collection with the similar logo on the ends of the fish bowl.

[Mark C. Yerger]

That just about fits with his purchases,,,a lot of trust and money with no research, I didnt think it was likely,,,thanks

A lesson seen all the time but few learn from it. Dealers love those with "more money than brains." Seems to be plenty of them, most only needing to read a few books to save simply throwing their big money away.

may still have value as, at least in the US, maritime collectibles have a big following.

[TonyS]

may still have value as, at least in the US, maritime collectibles have a big following.

That's true. Although I'm betting most of these plates are post war. Almost all the HAPAG fleet was sunk during the war. Can't see too many plates surviving but you never know.

[Erich B.]

In researching HAPAG, and the relatively recent HAPAG-Lloyd, I can find no information indicating that the companies used the 'LAH' (or 'HAL') SS style logo either pre or post 1945. Does anyone actually have a period advertisement or some company paperwork showing this logo vs. the normal HAPAG insignia?
Erich

[CWP]

The HAPAG logo and the HAL logo appear together on the bowl shown in the first post, that is proof enough for me that the HAL logo was used by this firm. It seems very plausible to me that this stylized HAL was used only as a monogram for place settings and not as a company logo for other purposes, this would be in keeping with the tradition of monogrammed place settings.

[David Fettes]

In researching HAPAG, and the relatively recent HAPAG-Lloyd, I can find no information indicating that the companies used the 'LAH' (or 'HAL') SS style logo either pre or post 1945. Does anyone actually have a period advertisement or some company paperwork showing this logo vs. the normal HAPAG insignia?
Erich

I have a prewar HAPAG book somewhere I will have a search for it.

[Mr. Scratch]

The HAPAG logo and the HAL logo appear together on the bowl shown in the first post, that is proof enough for me that the HAL logo was used by this firm.

I can't seem to find the photo you are talking about. Can you link it?

I find it hard to believe that the SS would share a logo with a private firm, or use such a precise copy of a preexisting logo. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I need to see some actual documentation on this.

[leib1]

The Armourer magazine did an article on this subject
not so long a go.Just cant find the copy at the min
which shows it was the above named shipping firms logo
Best Jamie

[CWP]

I can't seem to find the photo you are talking about. Can you link it?

I find it hard to believe that the SS would share a logo with a private firm, or use such a precise copy of a preexisting logo. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I need to see some actual documentation on this.

Here you go.

[CWP]

Here is another HAPAG logo an a HAL marked dish.

[CWP]

HAL monogram. There is a book Mariner's Memorabilia by Peter Laister that depicts many HAL items in china and silver plate, one of the pieces depicted is marked with the HAPAG logo and the HAL monogram, as well.

[leib1]

Right found the article by Andrew Mollo in jan/feb 09 issue
basicly says in 1938 cruise brochure there is no sign of the HAL cypher
only the HAPAG logo.That all the old fixtures and furnishings might have
been sold off at auction.The ss buy it for there new barracks at Berlin Lichterfelde as the tableware already bearing a cipher.Which presupposes
that an agreement was reached between ss and the Hamburg American Line that they would no longer use there old Hal logo.
Best Jamie

[CWP]

That seems to me to be incredibly far-fetched. It seems a lot more likely to me that the reason the HAL design was not used in advertising was because it was not intended as a corporate logo but rather as a monogram, a decorative yet practical way to identify property, and very much in fashion in the pre-WWI years when many believe these HAL pieces were made and used.