Here are some examples to compare to. The Rune tab pictured in the first post, again, IMHO is a 100% original!! If you look at the tabs that I posted, you will not only see slight differences in the angle of the runes, as well as, the number #2, as with the one pictured in the wartime photo. the main thing to keep in mind, is that, all of these tabs were hand done and the the templates were also laid onto the wool before sewing, therefore there will be slight differences! Grant
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Next, We have the machine embroidered cotton rune types and IMHO there are only two types (style of runes) which I totally trust as being wartime manufactured styles. 1) the types pictured here and 2) the type that is like the bullion ones pictured earlier, but they are made in cotton thread. As of yet, I do not have any of these styles in my collection to show for comparison, but I believe that Mr. Hritz and Mr. Toncar does. GrantComment
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Grant, thanks for sharing! Some very nice tabs you have posted! The first two Germania SS2 tabs, are originals IMHO, and relevant reference material for this thread. That is how they should look!
I stand by my opinion that I am sceptic about the initial tabs pair being originals!
Briefly I summarise my problems;
1- Wrong shape of the number 2
2- Extremely rare to see an early style "not so tilted" rune tab with a paper tag.
3- when encountered with a paper tag, letter code D is what I have found to be correct. (NOT C!)
4- Odd to see the same manufacturers stamp, 212 on both tabs. (sure it could be ok, but very rare!!) (that is a new observation- sorry!
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5- Linear symmetry of SS and 2 is still not completely on "par". (I say it again, this is only a minor issue, as placement could vary - still a thing to consider to get the whole picture)
Below is posted two reverse sides of numbered collar tabs from my collection. Top one is the named Germania officers rune tab in early "not so tilted style", and below the reverse of a Bullion SS3 "Der Fuhrer" tab "that is tilted and in the normal/later shape". 1938-ca 1940 style.
Notice the D tag.
I will post more examples. I advice fellow members and "advanced" collectors to post their experiences and examples. Please do understand that anyone is welcome to post as long as they feel their material is with ut a doubt originals. I am not a judge to decide who is advanced or not, so please step forward.
Grant, if possible, it would be interesting to see the reverse sides of your tabs, and please give us your opinion about what tags that were used on the "not so tilted style" and the normal style bullion numbered tabs.
Arran; Good observation about the partial paper tag on B Hritz SS2 tab with latin letters. Please forgive me for missing that detail.
Cheers,
FelixLast edited by Felix; 10-06-2009, 06:41 PM.Comment
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Reverse of an orignal bullion SSB "Braunschweig" collar tab.
Notice the D tag.
Cheers,
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RZM Tag
Felix,Originally posted by Felix View PostGrant, thanks for sharing! Some of your tabs are very nice! Like the first two Germania SS2 tabs, that are originals IMHO. That is how they should look!
I stand by my opinion that I am sceptic about the initial tabs pair being originals!
Briefly I summarise my problems;
1- Wrong shape of the number 2
2- Extremely rare to see an early style "not so tilted" rune tab with a paper tag.
3- when encountered with a paper tag, letter code D is what I have found to be correct. (NOT C!)
4- Odd to see the same manufacturers stamp, 212 on both tabs. (sure it could be ok, but very rare!!) (that is a new observation- sorry! )
5- Linear symmetry of SS and 2 is still not completely on "par". (I say it again, this is only a minor issue, as placement could vary)
Below is posted two reverse sides of numbered collar tabs from my collection. Top one is the named Germania officers rune tab in early "not so tilted style", and below the reverse of a Bullion SS3 "Der Fuhrer" tab "that is tilted and in the normal/later shape". 1938-ca 1940 style.
Notice the D tag.
I will post more examples. I advice fellow members and "advanced" collectors to post their experiences and examples. Please do understand that anyone is welcome to post as long as they feel their material is with ut a doubt originals. I am not a judge to decide who is advanced or not, so please step forward.
Grant, if possible, it would be interesting to see the reverse sides of your tabs, and please give us your opinion about what tags that were used on the "not so tilted style" and the normal style bullion numbered tabs.
Arran; Good observation about the partial paper tag on B with latin letters on Mr Hritz tab.
Please forgive me for missing that detail.
Cheers,
Felix
I have never seen a paper RZM that is as wide as yours from the left side to the right. Are you comfortable with that tag?
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Reverse of an early style "not so tilted" enlisted SS2 Germania tab.
Cheers,
Felix
P.s Front comes in next post.Comment
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OK, for me, the C or D code is fully acceptable. Why, because I have seen C & D codes on runic tabs without numbers. I have seen E & F tags on skull tabs. If I saw an A, B or F code, I would be concerned. The fact that you are showing only D tags on these few rare tabs means little in my opinion. I am sure C was used...maybe not as often as D but they were used. Also, something to consider is maybe the tax was less at the time when the tag was used. It has a very low serial number. Wild guess.Originally posted by Felix View PostYes, VERY comfortable.
Please stay on topic!!
//Felix
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Not to mention that the insignia makers had to affix the RZM label. I would think that each label was priced according to it's code, less for A code and most for P code, that there might have been a little tax cheating going on with the lower code tags slipped by.
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
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