Come on guys....keep it on topic.
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Hi Greg, here is an old thread which has some pics of my M40 SS feldmutze.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=17638
Hope this will be of use?
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HI I see what you guys are saying about the false piping on my cap and the lack of it on Gregorys cap.So is it a bad cap or a period made cap from materal at hand?Comment
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Hello Gentlemen,
Well, SS items have always intrigued me I have never had the time to get in as deep as most of you, that have made this your main focus. Greg is a friend that asked my opinion and honestly I could not say without holding the piece in my hands as well as seeking out further assistance from friends that really dig deep into this area of collecting filled with fakes, some extremely well made. Dangerous, stuff, to say the least, as well as perhaps one of the most difficult areas of collecting to master. So, hats off to those of you that have made this your main focus. I often watch this forum as one source of research in this elusive area of collecting.
On Greg’s piece I sent scans off to one of our members that is very advanced in SS material and he liked the cap,
- Insignia was fine, no issues.
- Cap design, the comment made was that it appears to be a coastal artillery cap, as Mark has suggested and this was not uncommon to occur pre 1945.
My thoughts, are that the insignia is good and so is the cap, not a standard issue SS cap but as Mark suggested, I agree that it is a Coastal Artillery cap with Original SS insignia.
Final thought, I agree with John that this was a done to the period as both the insignia and the cap are original and a close examination of the stitching does not look to post war as the integrity of the piece was not compromised to add the insignia.
These are my thoughts and nothing more, I am not an advanced SS collector and the above comments outlined are from one. So please be gentle here as I did research the piece and went to one of the better versed collectors. So my response to this thread is just the reply that I received and my thoughts.
@ Gary Wood and Tony Barto, come on guys you are pros on this stuff, what are your thoughts? You both know SS like the back of your hand, please share the knowledge.
Cordially Yours,
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"@ Gary Wood and Tony Barto, come on guys you are pros on this stuff, what are your thoughts? You both know SS like the back of your hand, please share the knowledge."
JD,
JD,
well since you have asked,
I have already given my opinion to Greg via a PM some days ago.
And while the insignia is original, the cap is a coastal artillery cap, I wonder how anyone cap tell the stitching of the insignia is original and period from photo's.
while the possibility is that the cap and insignia are period, its still a coastal artillery cap with ss insignia, and as such is not something I would buy.
I would also like to say that this is my personal opinion,
Greg,
you said the item had good provenance what is it? and what other items came with this lot as well?
cheers,
GaryLast edited by Gary Wood; 11-20-2003, 03:44 AM.Comment
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In all honesty, I couldn't have put it any better myself.Originally posted by Gary WoodBest regards,
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Thank you Gary and Tony for your help.
@ Gary, In reference to stitching, I had spoken to Greg about the piece over the phone, your correct in statint that the pics do not show the stitching.
Anyone own Micheal Beaver's books , I sold my set, any pics or reference given to the cap that Greg posted.
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I will always take into account that insignias could be period applied if both items are original.However Gary is absolutely correct to say no one can really tell even with a piece in hand.So what you have is a Cap from another branch with SS insignias on it which many SS collectors would not want to invest in as it is not what was normal.As Gary also stated if there is provenance with an item that makes the item all the more interesting and maybe it should be shared with the cap.I personally never discount anything from the possibility of being there if the pieces are all real but I guess I should make it clear that it is not something to count on with the swamp of fakes in the hobby.Comment
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@ Tony B, Gary, & John,
Just a question , that sounds like their might not really be a definitive answer to.
Is it known by any province that this type of set up became a typical practice of using a coastal artillary cap with SS insignia as things became lacked towards closing of the war? Or is it just possible with a coomon sense approach , but cannot really be said for certain.
Just a student here looking for clarification, which I think has already been provided, just want to make sure that I am on the right track as in try to digest the information posted thus far.
Best Regards,
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While I don't believe any formal documentation exists that this practice took place on any consistent basis, there are period photographs depicting anomolies such as this. In short, common sense and reasoning should prevail. That being said, generally speaking, purests will not even consider that approach. The more you have to explain and justify something, the less value it has. I hope that answers your question.Best regards,
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Hi Tony,
Agreed, thank you for keeping it simple and straight forward.
Best,
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