Why the missing metal on this wing?
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I am having a problem digesting this eagle .it cannot be bent it is shorter and smaller than my aluminum 167 it does not look like it has an applied finnish , i need to be proven wrong.
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have a look at this also same maker of 1/167 but 2 prong styled. any differences?
john, a straight front and back photo will be better for us.Comment
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Back,its the sane exact eagle you have and there are 3 more of the same exact eagles that have recently shown up , i want it to be god but i am suspect to its originsComment
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These flaws are not uncommon. It has the nickel finish and is absolutely original.
Best, ChrisComment
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These flaws are not uncommon in zinc Hicke eagles, but I believe that they are unique to that maker. You don't find such edges on zinc insignia by other makers. It makes me wonder about the particular method employed by Hicke in the manufacture of these eagles, which resulted in such frequent flaws. The uneven edges seem more consistent with casting than die striking.Originally posted by SScollector View PostComment
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it looks more like a cast to me where i can see the flow lines of the molten metal on the negative side. if it is a strike, both sides would be very smooth finished.
were these 1/167 pieces cast?Comment
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So far i would like to thank you guys for contributing to this thread , i would say this eagle is cast,not die sTruck , i have been ceramic shell casting metals for about 10 years as one of my hobbies and i can tell when metal does not flow into a mold , this wing looks as though it is exactly the case , also look on top of tHe wing face and you can see some wrinkling in the material , this can result from a mould that is not hot enough to accept the melted metal as it is poured into the mould or the melting temp of the metal is not hot enough as iT is poured into the mould ,resulting in cold spots on certain areas of the casting. I do not see any spru marks ,but they could be under the prong mounts , ,,with this said it does not mean the eagle is a reproduced fake , the germanS may have employed this method of manurfacTur instead of a die stRike .now i have seen 4 of these on the forum that are all as in good of condition as this one , so it is suspect to me. One of them even has the exact same lack of metal in the same wing. So? Were some of these found and turned ou into the market or are they now being reproduced , i respect the comments and opinions of all members on this forum and i am just trying to learn , one last thingit cannot be bent with snapping one of the wings there is no give what so ever , that also tells me this is a cast eagle and not die struck.Comment
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Yes John, i thought so too that its a cast piece.
I had the assumption that all of these wear to be die struck. it makes no sense economically to use die casting if one is to produce by the thousands.
unless the manufacture 1/167 was a low production manufacturer.Comment
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Injection moulding is a technique used for mass production- is that what was used to make these?Comment
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THE USE OF A CENTRIFUGE was the prefered method then and now FOR LOW MELTING TEMP ALLOYS SUCH AS ZINC,ALSO why is there no natural patina with this eagle if it is a nickel finish? And why are all of these that are showing up on the market without a patina as well , this eagle in hand looks as though it is straight zinc , also can anyone tell me what the proper width and hight of this eagle should be ?i am just not convinced yet that these eagles that are showing up are good with this great condition and no patina to the nickle finnish ,we cannot exclude the possiblitiy that these are recently being reproduced. There is a way i might be able to be persuaded. Dimensions will tell the truth , if thay are being copied then there will be a 5% shrink rate from using a new rubber mould from an original 167 3 prong eagle , this will not be too obvious until proper dimensions of an original eagle can be compared to this one and the others just like it.this will be good evidence either way. I will be very happy to be proven wrong, but if it is a bad eagle we should all know .Comment
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injection moulding is for plastics, mate.Comment
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Your right, i meant to say centrifuge casting you can produce many at a time this way, ive not used this method itself but it is not difficult to doComment
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