SS Officer belt Opinions

[turbopanzer]

Hi Opinions on my ss belt.

regards
turbo

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[besslein]

not good one for sure,i mean marking bescose its a standard army belt with some fantasy post war stamps

[PMan]

Belt

Yes, I agree. Fantacy stamps. A good belt is now ruined. Is the buckle RZM marked?
Peter

[turbopanzer]

hi

HI
Thanks Besselin and Peter for your answers.

Thats was bad i tought t its was nice,and think i saved a lot to not buy the more expensive normal ss belt bukles for ss officer.
the stamps look good in the hand ,but difficult to take pichtures of it,i shall talk to the former owner and send it back.

Peter the buckle have no stamps either its a ordenry heer belt no stamp on buckle and a fake ss stamp on the back.

have nice weekend

turbo

[DeMil]

Hi.

This belt came from me.
I have had it in my collection for ca. 15 years.
I bougth it from a collector living in the middle of Norway. He got this belt + offiser boots + offiser trousers bougth directly from the family, so I am VERY suppriced that this stampings could be a copy.
First I know were the belt comes from and the collector I got it from is a good friend of mine and for the second the stampings look 100 % original.
The SS runes looks superb and the numbers are perfect on the line. IMO this is an original stamp and nothing wrong with it.
Some big SS collectors in Norway have seen this belt and non of them has hasitated buy its originality !
This type of offiser belt with SS markings are uncommon but they defenetly exist.
I am quite sure other collectors have these in their collections as original and probably with provenience!?!

Peter the buckle is not stamped.

Regards
Derek

[PMan]

Belt

OK, I see what you mean. Those stamps are rather nicely made. It is strange that the buckle is not RZM marked however, typically they are. As long as you know where it came from, then it is most likely a real one issued for SS use.
Regards, Peter

[Dr. Strangelove]

Stamp

The Stamp is very nicely done. My problem is paying a Big premium on a common Belt just for a stamp. If you only had to pay a little extra fine. Ask youself how much do you want to invest over and above the cost of the belt in a "Stamp"?

[phild]

Hi.

This belt came from me.
I have had it in my collection for ca. 15 years.
I bougth it from a collector living in the middle of Norway. He got this belt + offiser boots + offiser trousers bougth directly from the family, so I am VERY suppriced that this stampings could be a copy.
First I know were the belt comes from and the collector I got it from is a good friend of mine and for the second the stampings look 100 % original.
The SS runes looks superb and the numbers are perfect on the line. IMO this is an original stamp and nothing wrong with it.
Some big SS collectors in Norway have seen this belt and non of them has hasitated buy its originality !
This type of offiser belt with SS markings are uncommon but they defenetly exist.
I am quite sure other collectors have these in their collections as original and probably with provenience!?!

Peter the buckle is not stamped.

Regards
Derek

I agree in total with the remarks above. These belts did exist both with and without rzm marked buckles...depending on when they made. They were official SS officer uniform items offered via the SS officer clothing system and are rarer than the SS officer "round" buckles....which did not stay clasped as well in active field use.

I have seen maybe 6 of these that I felt were 100% over the last 25 years or so, since I became aware that they existed.

Often the buckles used on these belts had more rounded corners and slightly more narrow frame rails than the standard Heer/LW types.....somtimes they are pebbled and somtimes smooth.

People can believe them or not, thats their choice, but I know that they are the real deal and are rarer than the "regular" SS officer type belt/buckle.

[turbopanzer]

hi

Hi
Thanks Derek and Phild for your answers.

I like the belt and the stamps look very nice ,its was difficult to take picthure of it with blitz because reflects the light,so the pic is without blitz i shall try to take a new pic in the weekend.

Regards
Turbo

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello,

in spite of the amazing history behind the belt, belt buckles collectors consider such marking a post war addition.

Here's another exampe from my files

Best

Ric

[Dr. Strangelove]

Stamp

It is just not worth investing Money in a Stamp. Well unless it is the one with the upside down Airplane.

[phild]

Hello,

in spite of the amazing history behind the belt, belt buckles collectors consider such marking a post war addition.

Here's another exampe from my files

Best

Ric

I would not doubt that some of these belts so presented as SS have been enhanced as such with fake marking stamps, as has most everything else has been at one time or another.

I also believe and have some good evidence in the form of a few examples that I have seen and in some cases own/owned that had rock solid provonance, that such 2 claw open buckle SS officer marked belts existed during the 3rd Reich period.

Collector's opinions and conventional (read published) wisdom is pretty much always somewhat wrong or at least incomplete....our knowlege about this material is always evolving.

Based on the few legit (IMO) examples that I have been able to examine I feel that these are wartime belts probably contracted by the SS Officers clothing department. They would have been offered to SS officers serving in the field as a practical alternative to the regualr round SS officers buckle.

What I do not have are examples of complete SS officer's clothing store goods descriptions from around 1942-44 that might show this item. I have pre war re-prints of this price list but I would not expect to see them in that one so early.

I'm not saying that they are worth $4000+ like the much more common circular SS officer belt and buckle rigs but maybe they are! I am saying that I have for me and as far as I am concerned PROOF that these were made and marked for SS officer use and if no one else accepts that I guess that I will have to wait for the hobby to catch up.