An SS Reproduction That I Like!

[Robin Lumsden]

Here's the original..............painted in oils by the artist Conrad Hommel in 1943 and now residing in the US Army captured war art collection.

[Robin Lumsden]

Here's the reproduction..............painted in oils by an unknown Internet artist in August 2008 and now residing in the Robin Lumsden fake war art collection.

[Vid]

Nice piece Robin. If they are done nice enough they make nice display, and considering the originals are either unavailable at all, or cost prohibitive why not have a nicely done copy.

Looks good to me.

Kris

[C. Betz]

Portrait

Why in the hell would anyone want a picture of this murderer hanging in their house?

Charles Betz

[Robin Lumsden]

Thanks Kris.

I think they made a pretty good job.

There are a couple of corrections being made to the breeches (leather sections) and arm (eagle missing).

It's about 3' x 2'6 and cost about the same as an EK1.

[Robin Lumsden]

Why in the hell would anyone want a picture of this murderer hanging in their house?

So why do you collect SS items then, Charles?

I've written books about this guy, that's my excuse.

[Vid]

So why do you collect SS items then, Charles?

I've written books about this guy, that's my excuse.

No need for an excuse in my opinion. I have seen this argument before and on period artwork such as Hitler busts and such. Its a tasteful piece and better than some of the garbage fakes people buy to add to their collection. Not glorifying anything.

I would hang it, and if I felt someone might take offense, I would hang two of them.

[Robin Lumsden]

I would hang it, and if I felt someone might take offense, I would hang two of them.

A kindred spirit and a man after my own heart.

[Vid]

I would hang this if I thought it would not take the wall down at 30 pounds. So what is the difference?.

I don't think whether the item is period is relevant, it is the manner in which the work is done. Would not want a Klan uniform but there are those that collect those items as well.

A tastefully done piece.

[sscrooge]

great picture and would look great near my ss bits n bobs collection rgds dave

[C. Betz]

Why Collect SS Items

I don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.

As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?

Charles Betz

[Vid]

I don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.

As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?

Charles Betz

Charles,

Murderer's grace the walls of all the great museums, the only difference here is that the wounds are still fresh for many. Its not a matter of hero's. We just tend to enjoy the history and quite frankly I believe we are ahead of the curve.

He was a murderer I guess, but the work does not glorify Himmler, it is simply a nice copy of a period work, and it is tastefully done. I do not think ideology has a role. I think its an interesting piece and I feel your are basing your argument on emotion.

Emotion does not win arguments. And are you sure he committed suicide??, sooner or later Germany will have no choice but to accept its past instead of trying to bury it or re-write it. But for the time being, we shall try and keep the artifacts for future generations so not to rob them of history for the sake of emotion.

You might as well say I don't like that book in your library, you should burn it. That is what you are saying.

Best,

Kris

[C. Betz]

Questions?

"He was a murderer I guess, but the work does not glorify Himmler, it is simply a nice copy of a period work, and it is tastefully done. I do not think ideology has a role. I think its an interesting piece and I feel your are basing your argument on emotion.

Emotion does not win arguments. And are you sure he committed suicide??,"

Well Kris, yes he was a murderer. That has been pretty much proven at Nuremberg. And yes, I'm sure he comitted suicide as were the British soldiers who were there when he committed his coward's escape. What books have you been reading?

My argument is not based on emotion at all. I asked why anyone would want this monster to occupy a place of distinction in their home. I also asked Mr. Lumsden if Himmler was one of his heros. No emotion, just two simple questions.

Nota bene: A museum is for historical reference.

Charles Betz

[Federico Perez]

Charles,

Every one is entittle to a personal opinion and that is perfectly fine .

This artwork reproduction of Himmler is a representative piece of an original work, theres no slogans or subliminal message, is just a full figure painting of an historical figure(for better or for worse). Just take for example Napoleon, he is still considered by many serius historians as a mega-military conquest machine, responsible for numerus unessesary war tru Europe and
the death of thousands of soldiers AND civilians, you can go to museums and see paintings of him in eroic poses or military campaings by great masters, he of course is no Himmler in NO WAY but it shows that art is not always from beautiful and peaceful things......art in most parts is made by humans and our entire history is a turbulent one from the beginings of our time in this planet.

I belive a uniform or a propaganda poster could be considered more provocative since they could not be considered as art,,,,,,,,but I do....as the art of persuasion, and hundreds of books could be writen about that

Robin,

That is a very nice reproduction indeed, may be is from the same artist that made the reproduction of the Karl Wolf in gala uniform I saw last year in the net, that one was expensive!!!

All the best,

Federico

PS/EXCUSE my grammar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.

As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?

Charles Betz

[Ludwig]

And I who thought political discussions were forbidden here at the WAF...