Here's the original..............painted in oils by the artist Conrad Hommel in 1943 and now residing in the US Army captured war art collection.
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Originally posted by Robin Lumsden View PostSo why do you collect SS items then, Charles?
I've written books about this guy, that's my excuse.
I would hang it, and if I felt someone might take offense, I would hang two of them.
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I would hang this if I thought it would not take the wall down at 30 pounds. So what is the difference?.
I don't think whether the item is period is relevant, it is the manner in which the work is done. Would not want a Klan uniform but there are those that collect those items as well.
A tastefully done piece.Attached Files
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Why Collect SS Items
I don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.
As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?
Charles Betz
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Originally posted by C. Betz View PostI don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.
As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?
Charles Betz
Murderer's grace the walls of all the great museums, the only difference here is that the wounds are still fresh for many. Its not a matter of hero's. We just tend to enjoy the history and quite frankly I believe we are ahead of the curve.
He was a murderer I guess, but the work does not glorify Himmler, it is simply a nice copy of a period work, and it is tastefully done. I do not think ideology has a role. I think its an interesting piece and I feel your are basing your argument on emotion.
Emotion does not win arguments. And are you sure he committed suicide??, sooner or later Germany will have no choice but to accept its past instead of trying to bury it or re-write it. But for the time being, we shall try and keep the artifacts for future generations so not to rob them of history for the sake of emotion.
You might as well say I don't like that book in your library, you should burn it. That is what you are saying.
Best,
Kris
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Questions?
"He was a murderer I guess, but the work does not glorify Himmler, it is simply a nice copy of a period work, and it is tastefully done. I do not think ideology has a role. I think its an interesting piece and I feel your are basing your argument on emotion.
Emotion does not win arguments. And are you sure he committed suicide??,"
Well Kris, yes he was a murderer. That has been pretty much proven at Nuremberg. And yes, I'm sure he comitted suicide as were the British soldiers who were there when he committed his coward's escape. What books have you been reading?
My argument is not based on emotion at all. I asked why anyone would want this monster to occupy a place of distinction in their home. I also asked Mr. Lumsden if Himmler was one of his heros. No emotion, just two simple questions.
Nota bene: A museum is for historical reference.
Charles BetzLast edited by C. Betz; 09-02-2008, 04:29 PM.
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Charles,
Every one is entittle to a personal opinion and that is perfectly fine.
This artwork reproduction of Himmler is a representative piece of an original work, theres no slogans or subliminal message, is just a full figure painting of an historical figure(for better or for worse). Just take for example Napoleon, he is still considered by many serius historians as a mega-military conquest machine, responsible for numerus unessesary war tru Europe and
the death of thousands of soldiers AND civilians, you can go to museums and see paintings of him in eroic poses or military campaings by great masters, he of course is no Himmler in NO WAY but it shows that art is not always from beautiful and peaceful things......art in most parts is made by humans and our entire history is a turbulent one from the beginings of our time in this planet.
I belive a uniform or a propaganda poster could be considered more provocative since they could not be considered as art,,,,,,,,but I do....as the art of persuasion, and hundreds of books could be writen about that
Robin,
That is a very nice reproduction indeed, may be is from the same artist that made the reproduction of the Karl Wolf in gala uniform I saw last year in the net, that one was expensive!!!
All the best,
Federico
PS/EXCUSE my grammar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by C. Betz View PostI don't collect anymore. Somehow the thrill has gone. I have however, lived in Germany as a child and saw first hand the results of that nations's flirtation with National Socialism.
As for Himmler, he was a murderer and a coward, choosing suicide to avoid facing his reponsibility of facilitating one of the largest mass muders in the history of the world. We display images of our heros. Is he one of yours?
Charles Betz
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