1st pattern Jawless cap skull thread

[Sergeant 08]

A skull pattern that was very popular on Leibhusaren caps and SS caps, too.

[Sergeant 08]

There were so many different variants of the Prussian skull on SS headgear.

[Sergeant 08]

No probably not "official" but these earlier skulls were definitely sometimes used by the SS. Even the Brunswick type skulls were used by the early SS.

Brunswick skulls I have never seen on SS caps. Do you have a picture?

[Joda]

Thanks a lot guys. Very instructive replies.

Anyway: the general assumption is that all "early" skulls worn by Allgemeine were not officially given to SS troops, quite reissues taken from Imperial troops and early '20s Freikorps or Wehrwolf.
But at the same time even Freikorps and Wehrwolf I think didnt have "official" skulls.
So, my question is: Did those troops (Freikorps etc) wear earlier-imperial skulls or were these skulls manufactured specifically for them?

[Sergeant 08]

Thanks a lot guys. Very instructive replies.

Anyway: the general assumption is that all "early" skulls worn by Allgemeine were not officially given to SS troops, quite reissues taken from Imperial troops and early '20s Freikorps or Wehrwolf.
But at the same time even Freikorps and Wehrwolf I think didnt have "official" skulls.
So, my question is: Did those troops (Freikorps etc) wear earlier-imperial skulls or were these skulls manufactured specifically for them?

After ww1 the Freikorps used Imperial Brunswick skulls (from IR92 and HR17) and Prussian skulls, which were used by the Danziger Leibhusaren in Imperial times.

Because skulls were very popular, many makers started to make new skull variants in the 20's. Such skulls you can find on Wehrwolf and early SS headgear for example.

[Joda]

After ww1 the Freikorps used Imperial Brunswick skulls (from IR92 and HR17) and Prussian skulls, which were used by the Danziger Leibhusaren in Imperial times.

Because skulls were very popular, many makers started to make new skull variants in the 20's. Such skulls you can find on Wehrwolf and early SS headgear for example.

Thank you Stefan: so the variations manufactured during '20s are considered those as the one you post at #465?

[J. M. C.]

Brunswick skulls I have never seen on SS caps. Do you have a picture?

Hi Stefan,
About 3 or 4 years ago I came across a picture online of 5 or 6 SS men posing and they were all wearing kepis. In the back row one had a Brunswick skull with the leather chinstrap covering the bottom parts of the crossed bones. It was really distinct.

I saved the picture but it was lost in a computer crash. I lost a hell of a data base in that crash.

[J. M. C.]

I feel like I have posted too many times without a skull photo.

So here's one...



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[Funia]

There were so many different variants of the Prussian skull on SS headgear.

Orginal one

Peter
P.S I do not have oportunity to post here pics (Exept old ones) but I have second one exactly same skull also orginal and in better condition as this posted by me.
On this dug veins are not visible but on my second skull they exist
Notice difference in eyebows in this skull and skull posted by sergeant and some others little things..
Peter

[olle]

Hi buddies,

What do you think about this Tk?

http://www.emedals.com/an-ss-skull-1...cap-4?___SID=U

Thanks!

,,PS: I have a SS photo with such a skull on headgear. ""
Maybe someone fastened this skull to his SS cap but this type of skull were not,,official" first pattern SS skulls.

Firrst skull Posted by Reich (silver one) is fake.
Second skull posted by Joda could be orginal but I think this pattern was NOT used by SS units
Peter

you are perfectly right.. it's very expensive but Emedals is known to be very expensive..

Please, can you post your photo?

hey
the photo ,but is an ss kepi ? where I've seen that face before?

http://cdn4.static.ovimg.com/m/031j_...200&mode=thumb

[Funia]

A skull pattern that was very popular on Leibhusaren caps and SS caps, too.

This type for sure was not popular on SS cap.
Here is not painted in orginal patina.

Peter

[Funia]

Olle Im afraid but skull posted on pic witch Himmler wearing kepi is not a skull from this link
Peter
Pls careffuly compare both skulls....

http://www.emedals.com/an-ss-skull-1...cap-4?___SID=U

[Winkelman]

The classic " Prussian " , or " Danziger " skull by Steinhauer & Luck is the ONLY jawless skull made with an RZM marking , and so an officially sanctioned & distributed SS jawless skull .
It is the one found in the vast majority of period pictures , but of course ALL other types no doubt have found their way on caps , especially during wartime ,
including old stock hussars , commercial ones , small WH Panzer , etc. etc. etc.
Only haven't seen the Brunswick one yet on SS headgear , so too bad that picture has disappeared ..

[Hellemons]

Nice Skull Peter!!
You have a lot beutiful
1 patern Skulls!!!

Kind regards Robert

[Joda]

Is anyone able to tell me, according to the collector community, what is the TK considered manufactured during '20s and used by Allgemeine SS until 1933?

So NOT earlier reissued skulls but manufactured for SS BEFORE the advent of RZM control.