OK friends, this was apparently posted for opinions before, but I couldn't find the thread so I'd appreciate any opinions on this metal SS LAH Cypher..thanks so much in advance!
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Interesting, it looks pretty much identical to this one off Peter Whammond's site. I guess his is wrong as well?
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Waffe...os/S25352.html
cheers
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Cast
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Dear Peter,
Thank you for your detailed and comprehensive explanation as to the reasons that this LAH cypher is . I wonder if you would be so kind as to expand on one or two points so we can all learn to avoid these copies.
1. What characteristics make this a copy? Is it the metal used or the type of stamp or casting as Strangeglove suggests?Perhaps it is the prongs?
2. When did these copies first make an appearance?
3. Could you show those of us less knowledgeable some examples from your collection so we know an original when we see it. A side by side comparison would be helpful.
many thanks and kind regards
Mark
Originally posted by Peter Manzie View PostComment
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Hello Mark,Originally posted by Mark Holden View PostDear Peter,
Thank you for your detailed and comprehensive explanation as to the reasons that this LAH cypher is . I wonder if you would be so kind as to expand on one or two points so we can all learn to avoid these copies.
1. What characteristics make this a copy? Is it the metal used or the type of stamp or casting as Strangeglove suggests?Perhaps it is the prongs?
2. When did these copies first make an appearance?
3. Could you show those of us less knowledgeable some examples from your collection so we know an original when we see it. A side by side comparison would be helpful.
many thanks and kind regards
Mark
Please look through the attached threads for your answers. Most of them have been well covered already. If you still feel in doubt, please let me know why you think the cypher may be real. I apologize for being too brief before and deserve a good scolding.
Peter
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=LAH+Cypher
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BTW, billmunny, Pete is correct, yours is a cast copy. I have one just like it that I posted on one of those threads. You can see it is cast on the back. I also posted a very original one for comparison...TomComment
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Dear Peter,
Perhaps you would pass comment on the cypher shown on Peter Whammond's site which appears to be a cast copy - according to the threads I read through which you kindly posted. Peter W is normally scrupulous in getting fakes off his site if identified as such and while not infallible is recognised as an honest and straight dealer. Comments?
regards
Mark
Originally posted by Mark Holden View PostComment
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LAH Cypher
Hello Mark,Originally posted by Mark Holden View Post
Attached is a side by side that shows a known original compared to the subject cypher of this thread. The thick areas pointed out give the "impression" of a casting. Notice, that the original is devoid of this. The cypher on Peter Whammond's site appears to have the same thickened areas as the subject cypher which is not a good thing. Perhaps "tgn" can chime in here, but I believe he was offered more than twice the amount for the single original (actually a pair) cypher shown here and in the previously referenced thread.
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Sure Pete, happy to add a comment or two. First, attached is another repro example that shows the thick/thin cast areas that Pete pointed out. Granted, this is not as good a repro as the one shown by billmunny, but it helps to show what to look for on cast vs. stamped.
As far as the price, yes, I was offered a LOT for just the single cypher shown below by Pete. That's because these are a LOT rarer than most collectors think.Comment
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I've emailed Peter Whamond and attached the URL of this WAF thread. He got back to me and said he would distribute enlarged scans to his 'vetting team' and get back to me. He said if it was indeed a fake, he would get in touch with the buyer and get it back. Everybody makes mistakes but you have to give Peter credit, he will make it right in the end.
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